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Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

    Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

    And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

    Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

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    @Jolly

    You’re missing his point. It’s not happening in a vacuum. It’s happening at the same time the GOP is planning on another 19T of debt in the next decade. (20T according to Massie).

    That’s more than half again of the 36T we have on the books.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

      Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

      And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

      Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

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      @Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

      Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

      2011 sequestration

      ~1990 Troop drawdown and base closures.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        @jolly. I dont think that anyone here would disagree that there is a lot of waste in government. But it is like @xenon said, this appears to be a very amateur way. They dont seem to have any plan, anyway to "quantify" the data, etc. From the articles, it makes them look laughable.

        They are going in to a house to kill a mosquito and using a sledgehammer to TRY and do so.

        Sure, a person could walk into my organization (or yours) and fire 90% of the staff and claim victory!!! Kind of like "winning the battle, but losing the war."

        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/us/politics/doge-musk-contracts-wall.html

        Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency has deleted hundreds more claims from its mistake-plagued “wall of receipts,” erasing $4 billion in additional savings that the group said it had made for U.S. taxpayers.

        Late Sunday night, the group erased or altered more than 1,000 contracts it had claimed to cancel, representing more than 40 percent of all the contracts listed on its site last week. The deleted items included five of the seven largest savings that it had claimed credit for just last week. At the same time, the group added about 1,000 additional canceled contracts, worth smaller total savings.

        It was the second time in a week that DOGE had deleted some of its greatest claims of success. Early last week, it erased all five of the largest savings it had claimed when the wall of receipts, which is what the group is calling its list of canceled contracts, was originally posted on Feb. 19.

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          Ok.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • X xenon

            Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

            And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

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            @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

            Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

            And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

            Yup coupon clipping while buying ferraris

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              jon-nyc
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              #24

              Yet more amateur hour.

              Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                Good, sell 'em all.

                I'm sure the dems will eventually buy them all back at twice the price.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Yet more amateur hour.

                  Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                  Yet more amateur hour.

                  Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #27

                    lol

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      #28

                      Federal outlays grew 7% in February compared to last year and the deficit grew 5%.

                      IMG_3541.png

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        As good a place as any to put this.

                        https://reason.com/2025/03/05/contrary-to-what-trump-said-even-doge-does-not-claim-to-have-identified-hundreds-of-billions-in-fraud/?utm_campaign=reason_brand&utm_content=&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=image,meme

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                          Pretty much anytime Trump says a number, divide it by a number from 3 to 8.

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                            Surely this is willful. He knows he lying by now.

                            Elon Musk: "Government waste and fraud is so high that it's causing a $2 trillion annual deficit. So that's 2,000 billion dollars of waste -- waste and fraud -- that's happening.

                            Surely he knows the deficit is caused mainly by funding things Americans want (SSA, health care, defense) without collecting enough taxes to pay for it. If he hasn’t figured that out yet, god help us.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Jolly
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                              Well, hot damn and hallelujah!!

                              I want all kinds of stuff I can't pay for! Now I know I can spend money I don't have and buy whatever I want.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #33

                                And why would you ‘know’ that?

                                Seems like a huge non sequitur.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  Jolly
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                                  No, it's just common sense.

                                  One shouldn't spend money A) you don't have, and B) you cannot pay back.

                                  No matter how badly you want ______.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #35

                                    That is common sense.

                                    But I still don’t understand your post as a response to mine. In what sense was I implying otherwise? Just because I called Elon out for his obvious lie doesn’t mean I think the current trajectory is sustainable. The world contains expenditures that are neither fraudulent, wasteful, or affordable.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      Because Elon is right. We're $2T in the hole. That's abuse, pure and simple. We're digging a hole where debt payment is going to swallow a massive portion of the budget and truly needed programs will be curtailed or ended.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        He didn’t say ‘we have a 2T deficit’. That would have been a factual albeit banal observation. He said we have 2T of waste and fraud. He knows otherwise.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

                                          Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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