FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one
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@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
Who's we?
It's always 'we' when our ancestors won, and 'they' when they did sketchy shit. So, I am obliged to thank the great grandparents of people who helped my grandparents beat the Germans in 1944, but I have no right to expect an apology for the fact that their ancestors stole, forcibly buggered and then cooked my great-great-great-great uncle's favourite prize-winning pig during the War of Independence.
Hypothetically, of course.
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@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
My family in the US was entirely in Massachusetts at the time. I had no direct ancestor in that war (though brothers/uncles/nephews of the contemporary generation sure) due only to birth years of the generations. I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA. We arrived in 1638, 18 years after the Mayflower.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA.
Was he a fan of the porcine perchance?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA.
Was he a fan of the porcine perchance?
Fun story actually. He was the company surgeon. At 17.
Why? Before the war he was apprenticed to a butcher. He could cut limbs off a mammal better than anyone else in the company.
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
My family in the US was entirely in Massachusetts at the time. I had no direct ancestor in that war (though brothers/uncles/nephews of the contemporary generation sure) due only to birth years of the generations. I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA. We arrived in 1638, 18 years after the Mayflower.
Damnyankee.
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Not sure why this is even an issue? Names change all the time.
For example, why is it a good thing to name a military base after Gen. Bragg?? LOL
Braxton Bragg Was Considered One Of The Worst Generals In The Civil War
Why was it named Fort Bragg?
the local chamber of commerce named Fort Bragg after General Braxton Bragg because he was the only general from North Carolina during the Civil War.
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Every participating state got a trophy.
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You know, if the South had actually pushed harder in the opening months, they would have won… I think. We would still be in a pretty similar place as we are today, but with a far different outlook.
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Feudalism against capitalism. The end was predetermined short of British entry.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
Feudalism against capitalism. The end was predetermined short of British entry.
Yeah, the economic base was already laid. The South lost the ultimate war before they ever fired a shot. But the short term tactical win would have had a dramatic effect on federal vs state power.
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@LuFins-Dad said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
You know, if the South had actually pushed harder in the opening months, they would have won… I think. We would still be in a pretty similar place as we are today, but with a far different outlook.
We'd be a lot more like the Federal-State relationship of 1840, than what we are today. The Feds would be what, maybe 25% the size of the current government?
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And if Napoleon had won the Battle of Hastings (which he clearly would have done if he'd actually shown up) we'd all be speaking Dutch.
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Odd how people seem to think the south could have won and yet we’d somehow have become one nation in time to turn the tide in the world wars. I think it’s at least as likely that had the south won we’d be speaking German.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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For some reason, I'm reminded of Jeremy Corbyn's claims that he won the argument.
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
Odd how people seem to think the south could have won and yet we’d somehow have become one nation in time to turn the tide in the world wars. I think it’s at least as likely that had the south won we’d be speaking German.
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. If the south had won, I bed the north would've remained united as we are today, just smaller... and the south would've just been a united set of highly individual states that likely would've eventually led to more fighting. I'd imagine the north would've taken over the westward expansion of the country, too.
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The westward expansion probably would have been negotiated north and south of some parallel. My guess anyway.
