FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one
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They were losers, but so were we. Just because the outcome set us on a course for abolition doesn't mean every other outcome was excellent and grand and ideal for everybody forever onwards.
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
Who's we?
It's always 'we' when our ancestors won, and 'they' when they did sketchy shit. So, I am obliged to thank the great grandparents of people who helped my grandparents beat the Germans in 1944, but I have no right to expect an apology for the fact that their ancestors stole, forcibly buggered and then cooked my great-great-great-great uncle's favourite prize-winning pig during the War of Independence.
Hypothetically, of course.
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
My family in the US was entirely in Massachusetts at the time. I had no direct ancestor in that war (though brothers/uncles/nephews of the contemporary generation sure) due only to birth years of the generations. I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA. We arrived in 1638, 18 years after the Mayflower.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
My family in the US was entirely in Massachusetts at the time. I had no direct ancestor in that war (though brothers/uncles/nephews of the contemporary generation sure) due only to birth years of the generations. I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA. We arrived in 1638, 18 years after the Mayflower.
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA.
Was he a fan of the porcine perchance?
I was only joking
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA.
Was he a fan of the porcine perchance?
@Doctor-Phibes said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA.
Was he a fan of the porcine perchance?
Fun story actually. He was the company surgeon. At 17.
Why? Before the war he was apprenticed to a butcher. He could cut limbs off a mammal better than anyone else in the company.
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@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
My family in the US was entirely in Massachusetts at the time. I had no direct ancestor in that war (though brothers/uncles/nephews of the contemporary generation sure) due only to birth years of the generations. I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA. We arrived in 1638, 18 years after the Mayflower.
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@89th said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
No, there was a war. They lost. We won. Winners get a trophy.
Who's we? Oh yeah you grew up in Ohio, so you get to bragg. If I had been born back then I would've likely been fighting for Virginia, too.
My family in the US was entirely in Massachusetts at the time. I had no direct ancestor in that war (though brothers/uncles/nephews of the contemporary generation sure) due only to birth years of the generations. I did have a direct ancestor in the revolutionary war in MA. We arrived in 1638, 18 years after the Mayflower.
Damnyankee.
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Not sure why this is even an issue? Names change all the time.
For example, why is it a good thing to name a military base after Gen. Bragg?? LOL
Braxton Bragg Was Considered One Of The Worst Generals In The Civil War
Why was it named Fort Bragg?
the local chamber of commerce named Fort Bragg after General Braxton Bragg because he was the only general from North Carolina during the Civil War.
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You know, if the South had actually pushed harder in the opening months, they would have won… I think. We would still be in a pretty similar place as we are today, but with a far different outlook.
The Brad
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@jon-nyc said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
Feudalism against capitalism. The end was predetermined short of British entry.
Yeah, the economic base was already laid. The South lost the ultimate war before they ever fired a shot. But the short term tactical win would have had a dramatic effect on federal vs state power.
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Atlanta would be the capital
Trump Tower would be in Savannah
Adolph Hitler would have been compared to Abe Lincoln
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You know, if the South had actually pushed harder in the opening months, they would have won… I think. We would still be in a pretty similar place as we are today, but with a far different outlook.
@LuFins-Dad said in FFS Pete they’re losers. Every last one:
You know, if the South had actually pushed harder in the opening months, they would have won… I think. We would still be in a pretty similar place as we are today, but with a far different outlook.
We'd be a lot more like the Federal-State relationship of 1840, than what we are today. The Feds would be what, maybe 25% the size of the current government?
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And if Napoleon had won the Battle of Hastings (which he clearly would have done if he'd actually shown up) we'd all be speaking Dutch.
