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  • George KG George K

    @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.

    And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.

    And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.

    I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.

    People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.

    Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

    I was only joking

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      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.

      And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.

      I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.

      People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.

      Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

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      George K
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      @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

      Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

        Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

        Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

        The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.

        I was only joking

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          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

          Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

          The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.

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          George K
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          @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          The British learned it in the 19th Century.

          "....second as farce."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Jolly
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            #28

            The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

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              @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

              The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

              Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.

              I was only joking

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                Copper
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                This is all a ploy

                When they come out into the open they will get blown to bits

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                  George K
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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

                    Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.

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                    #32

                    @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

                    Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.

                    Hey, you're the one that brought it up...

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

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                      xenon
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                      #33

                      @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                      The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

                      true, but the Taliban still upgraded their AK47s to American arms and humvees

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                          @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          That, and a lot more.

                          It's like Christmas in August...

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                              I think it's clear this was always going to happen.

                              I heard Paul Wolfowitz on the radio this morning saying it was a disastrous error. And he sure knows a lot about those.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                I think it's clear this was always going to happen.

                                I heard Paul Wolfowitz on the radio this morning saying it was a disastrous error. And he sure knows a lot about those.

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                                @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

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                                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

                                  Not that I heard. He just said it was awful. As bad as the end of Vietnam.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    Well, at least Biden didn't say anything that hurt somebody's feelings..,,,,

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      There are only two possible outcomes - we stay or we go. Was there any possibility of a positive outcome by staying or had all that could be accomplished been done? It's been 20 years.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Loki
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                                        I watched Blinken provide a debrief last night. It was fascinating watching his word choice and clear discomfort in trying to put a good face on an unmitigated disaster.

                                        We will see if the Taliban allow us to withdraw from Kabul on an orderly basis or if there will be a siege. Mik was right about the comparisons to the last days of Saigon.

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                                          “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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