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      @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      That, and a lot more.

      It's like Christmas in August...

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          I think it's clear this was always going to happen.

          I heard Paul Wolfowitz on the radio this morning saying it was a disastrous error. And he sure knows a lot about those.

          I was only joking

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            I think it's clear this was always going to happen.

            I heard Paul Wolfowitz on the radio this morning saying it was a disastrous error. And he sure knows a lot about those.

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            @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

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              @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

              @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

              Not that I heard. He just said it was awful. As bad as the end of Vietnam.

              I was only joking

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                Well, at least Biden didn't say anything that hurt somebody's feelings..,,,,

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                  There are only two possible outcomes - we stay or we go. Was there any possibility of a positive outcome by staying or had all that could be accomplished been done? It's been 20 years.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    I watched Blinken provide a debrief last night. It was fascinating watching his word choice and clear discomfort in trying to put a good face on an unmitigated disaster.

                    We will see if the Taliban allow us to withdraw from Kabul on an orderly basis or if there will be a siege. Mik was right about the comparisons to the last days of Saigon.

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                      “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

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                        @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                        “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                        I said Blinken.

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                          @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                          I said Blinken.

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                          @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                          I said Blinken.

                          Ah, my bad. Rent free in my head, as they say.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                            I said Blinken.

                            Ah, my bad. Rent free in my head, as they say.

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                            @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                            I said Blinken.

                            Ah, my bad. Rent free in my head, as they say.

                            I get your point though. Biden is making him sell a shit sandwich. 3 battalions are withdrawing to Kabul to protect the outflow of American interests in the city. I do wonder what the Taliban will do. I think the US is counting on no siege. I would love to be in the war room as that assessment is being continually updated.

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                              @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              @horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                              I said Blinken.

                              Ah, my bad. Rent free in my head, as they say.

                              I get your point though. Biden is making him sell a shit sandwich. 3 battalions are withdrawing to Kabul to protect the outflow of American interests in the city. I do wonder what the Taliban will do. I think the US is counting on no siege. I would love to be in the war room as that assessment is being continually updated.

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                              @loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              I would love to be in the war room as that assessment is being continually updated.

                              That's not in Camp David, is it (asking for a friend, of course)?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                The shame resides with the people in Afghanistan who believed - particularly, the young girls/women who sought education. Raising dreams/hopes to have them dashed is a greater tragedy than when no hope existed. It would appear that once again the idea of nation building - of bringing another nation's view of the world to a nation where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. It has implications far beyond the middle east. How do we all get along with such divergent ideas of what the world should look like - and how it should work? Who should lead and to what destination?

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                                  The shame resides with the people in Afghanistan who believed - particularly, the young girls/women who sought education. Raising dreams/hopes to have them dashed is a greater tragedy than when no hope existed. It would appear that once again the idea of nation building - of bringing another nation's view of the world to a nation where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. It has implications far beyond the middle east. How do we all get along with such divergent ideas of what the world should look like - and how it should work? Who should lead and to what destination?

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                                  @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  Raising dreams/hopes to have them dashed is a greater tragedy than when no hope existed.

                                  I disagree. It is cruel, but new ideas were brought to light, hope for the future; these women have daughters who they will pass these new messages on to.

                                  Not treating it lightly. You're right, the disappointment must be bitter. But -- well, I won't repeat myself.

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    The shame resides with the people in Afghanistan who believed - particularly, the young girls/women who sought education. Raising dreams/hopes to have them dashed is a greater tragedy than when no hope existed. It would appear that once again the idea of nation building - of bringing another nation's view of the world to a nation where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. It has implications far beyond the middle east. How do we all get along with such divergent ideas of what the world should look like - and how it should work? Who should lead and to what destination?

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                                    @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                    The shame resides with the people in Afghanistan who believed - particularly, the young girls/women who sought education. Raising dreams/hopes to have them dashed is a greater tragedy than when no hope existed. It would appear that once again the idea of nation building - of bringing another nation's view of the world to a nation where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. It has implications far beyond the middle east. How do we all get along with such divergent ideas of what the world should look like - and how it should work? Who should lead and to what destination?

                                    Well said, @kluurs .

                                    However, I question this:

                                    "It would appear that once again the idea of nation building...where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. "

                                    I may be wrong, but the population that didn't want that was the one that was better-armed and more persistent than the US and its allies were.

                                    It would be interesting to see a poll of the population and see how then feel about it.

                                    My memory fades in my dotage, but I remember seeing polling in Iraq that supported new freedoms, etc.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                      The shame resides with the people in Afghanistan who believed - particularly, the young girls/women who sought education. Raising dreams/hopes to have them dashed is a greater tragedy than when no hope existed. It would appear that once again the idea of nation building - of bringing another nation's view of the world to a nation where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. It has implications far beyond the middle east. How do we all get along with such divergent ideas of what the world should look like - and how it should work? Who should lead and to what destination?

                                      Well said, @kluurs .

                                      However, I question this:

                                      "It would appear that once again the idea of nation building...where only a segment of the population wanted that was a dream too far. "

                                      I may be wrong, but the population that didn't want that was the one that was better-armed and more persistent than the US and its allies were.

                                      It would be interesting to see a poll of the population and see how then feel about it.

                                      My memory fades in my dotage, but I remember seeing polling in Iraq that supported new freedoms, etc.

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                                      @george-k

                                      It is a very fragmented, tribal society. The government troops were well armed but neither unified or well led. To survive, we would have needed to maintain a sizable number of troops as we have in Korea and Germany. That’s a costly proposition.

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                                        @george-k

                                        It is a very fragmented, tribal society. The government troops were well armed but neither unified or well led. To survive, we would have needed to maintain a sizable number of troops as we have in Korea and Germany. That’s a costly proposition.

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                                        @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                        maintain a sizable number of troops as we have in Korea and Germany

                                        Yes.

                                        Are either of those necessary now? I can almost understand Korea...

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          POTUS speaks:

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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