Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 18:29 last edited by
I never thought I'd live to see the day when a president came along who would make Jimmy Carter look good.... but here we are...
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 19:46 last edited by xenon
We’ve been negotiating with the Taliban for years now.
The writing has been on the wall - Afghanistan was not worth it. The left and right agree to that (including Trump).
Americans want out. This is the inevitable result of pulling out with the Taliban still around.
I don’t get how this would have been diff if we had a diff President.
FWIW - ny personal thought is “you break it, you bought it”, and we should have stuck it out.
I thought that when Trump was preparing the pull out as well.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 22:14 last edited by
Yeah, there's clearly been a gradual shift towards this over the past 8-12 years.
I'm actually a little surprised it took the US this long to lose interest.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:13 last edited by
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:20 last edited by xenon
Dishonor in Afghanistan and dishonor with the Kurds. We’ve been a fickle partner in war lately.
I’m curious how soldiers feel though. I work with a bunch of former officers, I should ask them.
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Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:42 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:47 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
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@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:00 last edited by Doctor Phibes@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.
People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.
People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:06 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
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@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.
The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:12 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British learned it in the 19th Century.
"....second as farce."
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 03:24 last edited by
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 10:53 last edited by Doctor Phibes
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 11:47 last edited by Copper
This is all a ploy
When they come out into the open they will get blown to bits
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 14:23 last edited by
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@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 14:29 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.
Hey, you're the one that brought it up...
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 15:22 last edited by xenon
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.
true, but the Taliban still upgraded their AK47s to American arms and humvees
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 15:24 last edited by
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That, and a lot more.
It's like Christmas in August...
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