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  • G George K
    14 Aug 2021, 01:47

    @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.

    And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:00 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

    He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.

    And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.

    I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.

    People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.

    Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

    I was only joking

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      14 Aug 2021, 02:00

      @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.

      And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.

      I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.

      People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.

      Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

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      George K
      wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:06 last edited by
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      @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

      Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

      Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • G George K
        14 Aug 2021, 02:06

        @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

        Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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        @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

        Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

        The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.

        I was only joking

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          14 Aug 2021, 02:11

          @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.

          Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.

          The British learned it in the 19th Century, or at least they should have.

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          George K
          wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:12 last edited by
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          @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          The British learned it in the 19th Century.

          "....second as farce."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 03:24 last edited by
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            The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

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            • J Jolly
              14 Aug 2021, 03:24

              The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 10:53 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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              @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

              The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

              Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.

              I was only joking

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                Copper
                wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 11:47 last edited by Copper
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                This is all a ploy

                When they come out into the open they will get blown to bits

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                  George K
                  wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 14:23 last edited by
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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    14 Aug 2021, 10:53

                    @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

                    Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 14:29 last edited by
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                    @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

                    Yeah, that's the main thing to worry about here.

                    Hey, you're the one that brought it up...

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                    • J Jolly
                      14 Aug 2021, 03:24

                      The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

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                      xenon
                      wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 15:22 last edited by xenon
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                      @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                      The British and the Soviets got their ass kicked. We didn't.

                      true, but the Taliban still upgraded their AK47s to American arms and humvees

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 15:23 last edited by
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                          14 Aug 2021, 15:23

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 15:24 last edited by
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                          @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          That, and a lot more.

                          It's like Christmas in August...

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 15:30 last edited by
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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 16:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                              I think it's clear this was always going to happen.

                              I heard Paul Wolfowitz on the radio this morning saying it was a disastrous error. And he sure knows a lot about those.

                              I was only joking

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                              • D Doctor Phibes
                                14 Aug 2021, 16:11

                                I think it's clear this was always going to happen.

                                I heard Paul Wolfowitz on the radio this morning saying it was a disastrous error. And he sure knows a lot about those.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 16:18 last edited by
                                #38

                                @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  14 Aug 2021, 16:18

                                  @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 16:53 last edited by
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                                  @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                  @doctor-phibes Did he offer any long-term solutions?

                                  Not that I heard. He just said it was awful. As bad as the end of Vietnam.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 17:14 last edited by
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                                    Well, at least Biden didn't say anything that hurt somebody's feelings..,,,,

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 17:19 last edited by
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                                      There are only two possible outcomes - we stay or we go. Was there any possibility of a positive outcome by staying or had all that could be accomplished been done? It's been 20 years.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Loki
                                        wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 17:25 last edited by
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                                        I watched Blinken provide a debrief last night. It was fascinating watching his word choice and clear discomfort in trying to put a good face on an unmitigated disaster.

                                        We will see if the Taliban allow us to withdraw from Kabul on an orderly basis or if there will be a siege. Mik was right about the comparisons to the last days of Saigon.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 20:11 last edited by
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                                          “His” word choice? I’m afraid the days of POTUS choosing his own words are temporarily suspended, pending the next transfer of power.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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