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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #287

    Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

    โ€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.โ€ ~Winston S. Churchill

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      AndyD
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      #288

      I sincerely hope someone takes out the threat of a nuclear ballistic missile capable Iran.
      We've already got N Korea, that's more than enough.

      Just give Israel a few of those bunker buster bombs if you ain't going to step up.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #289

        We gave them the 5,000 lb version. But that won't do the job. The MOP will, but it weighs as much as a cement mixer. Only the B2 can deliver it. Only the US operates the B2.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #290

          Israel's option would be a land-based special forces operation.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • A Online
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            AndyD
            wrote last edited by AndyD
            #291

            So give them an old B2,
            or a lift ๐Ÿ˜†

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote last edited by
              #292

              I honestly think we should delete Fordo for them. For the whole world, really.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by
                #293

                It's almost worth it just to see Tulsi resign.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • MikM Mik

                  Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote last edited by
                  #294

                  @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                  Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

                  Iโ€™m not sure that would be the case. Fordow is buried so deeply that I would think the MOP would likely result in the facility collapsing in on itself trapping the uranium, not blasting it outward.

                  The Brad

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #295

                    Seems to me that the commando raid, blow it up from inside would be safer. But I really don't give a shit if Qom becomes uninhabitable for a few thousand years.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote last edited by
                      #296

                      The international outcry about that would last even longer.

                      โ€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.โ€ ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nyc
                        wrote last edited by
                        #297

                        Yeah I'm being flip when I say I don't care.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • A Online
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                          AndyD
                          wrote last edited by
                          #298

                          Alternatively ought we let Iran carry on, see them develop portable nuclear packs, which they will give to their proxy fanatical terrorist friends.

                          When does this whole scenario become the invasion of Poland, the attack on Pearl Harbour for us?

                          For the Israelis October 7th was that line.

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nyc
                            wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                            #299

                            The exact size of the military presence at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant is not publicly known, but based on defense analyses and satellite imagery, experts estimate:

                            โธป

                            ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท Estimated Military Presence at Fordow

                            ๐Ÿ”น Permanent On-Site Security
                            โ€ข Likely 200โ€“400 IRGC personnel, including:
                            โ€ข Facility guards
                            โ€ข Technical security teams
                            โ€ข Command staff and rapid response elements

                            These forces are probably drawn from the IRGC Quds and Aerospace forces, with access tightly controlled.

                            โธป

                            ๐Ÿ”น Perimeter & Area Security
                            โ€ข Additional 500โ€“1,000 troops may be stationed at nearby IRGC bases that provide regional security for Fordow and Qom
                            โ€ข Likely include:
                            โ€ข Motorized infantry
                            โ€ข Air defense crews
                            โ€ข Logistics and support units

                            โธป

                            ๐Ÿ”น Air Defense Units
                            โ€ข Fordow is protected by dedicated air defense batteries:
                            โ€ข S-300PMU-2 system (mobile or semi-permanent)
                            โ€ข Iranian equivalents (e.g., Bavar-373, Khordad-15)
                            โ€ข These systems require dozens to hundreds of personnel to operate, maintain, and coordinate radar and missile systems

                            โธป

                            ๐Ÿ”น Total Military Footprint (Broad Estimate)
                            Component
                            Estimated Personnel
                            On-site security: 200โ€“400
                            Regional IRGC presence: 500โ€“1,000
                            Air defense teams: 100โ€“300
                            Total: 800โ€“1,700 (approx.)

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nyc
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                              #300

                              Whatever the normal staffing Iโ€™d imagine itโ€™s a lot more this week.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                Horace
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                                #301

                                I'm surprised they haven't opened a day care and a hospital on the ground floor.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  bachophile
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                                  #302

                                  Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    I was thinking this morning that it was weird that the WH leaked that there was going to be a statement from Trump last night, but ultimately there wasn't.

                                    But then I remembered yesterday was Tuesday....

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • bachophileB bachophile

                                      Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

                                      jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #304

                                      @bachophile said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                      Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #305

                                        I just hope they weren't carrying weapons-grade uranium.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #306

                                          Yes. That's the nightmare. And consistent with Iran's recent rhetoric.

                                          โ€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.โ€ ~Winston S. Churchill

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