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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #284

    I just don’t think we will enter the fray. The only thing we can add is the MOPs and there’s no guarantee they can put Fordo out of business, plus it would spread radiation over the region. If that facility is to be shut down it will have to be by cutting off their power supply, destroying the tunnel access and possibly in combination with a ground assault.

    And don’t forget, every day is Taco Tuesday. If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. I don’t believe he would risk that.

    Our biggest threat here is overreach based on the Israeli successes. The mullahs have had their world rocked. At the very least their adventurism will be greatly chastened even if the regime manages to stay in power. We especially need to stay out of the regime change business. It’s what got us 45 years of Iran as we know it.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #285

      Stop selling. I’m already supportive of US involvement.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        jon-nyc
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        #286

        This is in Tel Aviv today.

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        • MikM Offline
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          wrote on last edited by
          #287

          Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            AndyD
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            #288

            I sincerely hope someone takes out the threat of a nuclear ballistic missile capable Iran.
            We've already got N Korea, that's more than enough.

            Just give Israel a few of those bunker buster bombs if you ain't going to step up.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #289

              We gave them the 5,000 lb version. But that won't do the job. The MOP will, but it weighs as much as a cement mixer. Only the B2 can deliver it. Only the US operates the B2.

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
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                #290

                Israel's option would be a land-based special forces operation.

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                  AndyD
                  wrote on last edited by AndyD
                  #291

                  So give them an old B2,
                  or a lift 😆

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #292

                    I honestly think we should delete Fordo for them. For the whole world, really.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #293

                      It's almost worth it just to see Tulsi resign.

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                        Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

                        I’m not sure that would be the case. Fordow is buried so deeply that I would think the MOP would likely result in the facility collapsing in on itself trapping the uranium, not blasting it outward.

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #295

                          Seems to me that the commando raid, blow it up from inside would be safer. But I really don't give a shit if Qom becomes uninhabitable for a few thousand years.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #296

                            The international outcry about that would last even longer.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #297

                              Yeah I'm being flip when I say I don't care.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                AndyD
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                                #298

                                Alternatively ought we let Iran carry on, see them develop portable nuclear packs, which they will give to their proxy fanatical terrorist friends.

                                When does this whole scenario become the invasion of Poland, the attack on Pearl Harbour for us?

                                For the Israelis October 7th was that line.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                  #299

                                  The exact size of the military presence at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant is not publicly known, but based on defense analyses and satellite imagery, experts estimate:

                                  ⸻

                                  🇮🇷 Estimated Military Presence at Fordow

                                  🔹 Permanent On-Site Security
                                  • Likely 200–400 IRGC personnel, including:
                                  • Facility guards
                                  • Technical security teams
                                  • Command staff and rapid response elements

                                  These forces are probably drawn from the IRGC Quds and Aerospace forces, with access tightly controlled.

                                  ⸻

                                  🔹 Perimeter & Area Security
                                  • Additional 500–1,000 troops may be stationed at nearby IRGC bases that provide regional security for Fordow and Qom
                                  • Likely include:
                                  • Motorized infantry
                                  • Air defense crews
                                  • Logistics and support units

                                  ⸻

                                  🔹 Air Defense Units
                                  • Fordow is protected by dedicated air defense batteries:
                                  • S-300PMU-2 system (mobile or semi-permanent)
                                  • Iranian equivalents (e.g., Bavar-373, Khordad-15)
                                  • These systems require dozens to hundreds of personnel to operate, maintain, and coordinate radar and missile systems

                                  ⸻

                                  🔹 Total Military Footprint (Broad Estimate)
                                  Component
                                  Estimated Personnel
                                  On-site security: 200–400
                                  Regional IRGC presence: 500–1,000
                                  Air defense teams: 100–300
                                  Total: 800–1,700 (approx.)

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #300

                                    Whatever the normal staffing I’d imagine it’s a lot more this week.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      Horace
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                                      #301

                                      I'm surprised they haven't opened a day care and a hospital on the ground floor.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        bachophile
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                                        #302

                                        Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #303

                                          I was thinking this morning that it was weird that the WH leaked that there was going to be a statement from Trump last night, but ultimately there wasn't.

                                          But then I remembered yesterday was Tuesday....

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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