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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #286

    This is in Tel Aviv today.

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    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • MikM Offline
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      Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        I sincerely hope someone takes out the threat of a nuclear ballistic missile capable Iran.
        We've already got N Korea, that's more than enough.

        Just give Israel a few of those bunker buster bombs if you ain't going to step up.

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          We gave them the 5,000 lb version. But that won't do the job. The MOP will, but it weighs as much as a cement mixer. Only the B2 can deliver it. Only the US operates the B2.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            #290

            Israel's option would be a land-based special forces operation.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              AndyD
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              #291

              So give them an old B2,
              or a lift 😆

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
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                #292

                I honestly think we should delete Fordo for them. For the whole world, really.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  #293

                  It's almost worth it just to see Tulsi resign.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

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                    @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                    Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

                    I’m not sure that would be the case. Fordow is buried so deeply that I would think the MOP would likely result in the facility collapsing in on itself trapping the uranium, not blasting it outward.

                    The Brad

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                      Seems to me that the commando raid, blow it up from inside would be safer. But I really don't give a shit if Qom becomes uninhabitable for a few thousand years.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        The international outcry about that would last even longer.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #297

                          Yeah I'm being flip when I say I don't care.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            Alternatively ought we let Iran carry on, see them develop portable nuclear packs, which they will give to their proxy fanatical terrorist friends.

                            When does this whole scenario become the invasion of Poland, the attack on Pearl Harbour for us?

                            For the Israelis October 7th was that line.

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                              #299

                              The exact size of the military presence at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant is not publicly known, but based on defense analyses and satellite imagery, experts estimate:

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                              🇮🇷 Estimated Military Presence at Fordow

                              🔹 Permanent On-Site Security
                              • Likely 200–400 IRGC personnel, including:
                              • Facility guards
                              • Technical security teams
                              • Command staff and rapid response elements

                              These forces are probably drawn from the IRGC Quds and Aerospace forces, with access tightly controlled.

                              ⸻

                              🔹 Perimeter & Area Security
                              • Additional 500–1,000 troops may be stationed at nearby IRGC bases that provide regional security for Fordow and Qom
                              • Likely include:
                              • Motorized infantry
                              • Air defense crews
                              • Logistics and support units

                              ⸻

                              🔹 Air Defense Units
                              • Fordow is protected by dedicated air defense batteries:
                              • S-300PMU-2 system (mobile or semi-permanent)
                              • Iranian equivalents (e.g., Bavar-373, Khordad-15)
                              • These systems require dozens to hundreds of personnel to operate, maintain, and coordinate radar and missile systems

                              ⸻

                              🔹 Total Military Footprint (Broad Estimate)
                              Component
                              Estimated Personnel
                              On-site security: 200–400
                              Regional IRGC presence: 500–1,000
                              Air defense teams: 100–300
                              Total: 800–1,700 (approx.)

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                #300

                                Whatever the normal staffing I’d imagine it’s a lot more this week.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  I'm surprised they haven't opened a day care and a hospital on the ground floor.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

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                                      I was thinking this morning that it was weird that the WH leaked that there was going to be a statement from Trump last night, but ultimately there wasn't.

                                      But then I remembered yesterday was Tuesday....

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #304

                                        @bachophile said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                        Negotiaters? Defectors? VIPs looking for a safe quiet weekend?

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          I just hope they weren't carrying weapons-grade uranium.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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