RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines
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@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
The Brad
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@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
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@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.
I guess this will be a learning opportunity for all of us. Maybe the oppositional framing of his backlog of interviews will turn out to be the truthiest framing, and maybe this is step one of RFK Jr managing to pull vaccines from the market. Or maybe the reviews will go well, and RFK will message their safety. Someone will learn something one way or another.
I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
@89th LOL
@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
From the little I did read about, I agree. Time will tell if he knew what he had to say to get confirmed vs. what he really believes.
It is hard (and kind of unusual) for someone in their 70's to make a 180 degree mind change. Easier to do when a person is in their 20's. In their 70's, not so much.
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@89th LOL
@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
From the little I did read about, I agree. Time will tell if he knew what he had to say to get confirmed vs. what he really believes.
It is hard (and kind of unusual) for someone in their 70's to make a 180 degree mind change. Easier to do when a person is in their 20's. In their 70's, not so much.
@taiwan_girl It's actually not very hard to seem very different from oppositional framings of one's character and opinions, as those framings are inevitably exaggerated to the point of breaking with recognizable reality.
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@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
He’s both.
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Not even close.
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If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.
I really hope he's able to have some positive effect on the general diet/exercise of the typical American....I'm not sure how to achieve that in a way that doesn't have the government overstepping its boundaries, but it'd be nice.
@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.
In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
@Axtremus said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
A responsible White House would not have subjected American citizens to a breach of their rights over an experimental vaccine, with huge financial and social penalties.
LuFin is correct. The RFK appointment is the direct result of the government lying to us.
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Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.
In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.
@jon-nyc said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.
In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.
Simple: Just frame the evidence as an even better conspiracy. Instead of distributing a boring binder full of charts and graphs, they could put it in the form of a 149 page soft cover book for $9.99 at the supermarket: “Common sense things they don’t want you to know.”
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@Axtremus said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
A responsible White House would not have subjected American citizens to a breach of their rights over an experimental vaccine, with huge financial and social penalties.
LuFin is correct. The RFK appointment is the direct result of the government lying to us.
@Jolly said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
A responsible White House would not have subjected American citizens to a breach of their rights over an experimental vaccine, with huge financial and social penalties.
There was no breach of rights.
Tell me what rights were breached over what experimental vaccine if you believe it happened. -
The right to work, for one. Preventing military members from serving without the vaccine, which did not generally prevent spread, and only potentially reduced severity.
The Brad
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On local news tonight... We've had two infant deaths from whooping cough in the last year. Before that, the last death was 2018. Vaccination rates for Tdap vaccine are down to 90% for kids entering kindergarten.
It's all a direct result of vaccine messaging around COVID. People no longer trust government health officials
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Well, all the deaths from COVID helped to boost the reserves of the Social Security by about USD$205 BILLION, so maybe those who did not get the vaccine wanted to help those who did.
(I know I know, people who got the vaccine also died, but I think there is enough evidence that shows people who got the vaccine were LESS likely to die.)
Overall, excess deaths during the pandemic have a net positive effect on the OASDI fund, mostly because of a reduction in future retirement benefits ($287 billion) that no longer need to be paid to decedents (Table 4). This gain was partially offset by new survivors’ benefits (-$32 billion) and OASDI payroll taxes (-$58 billion) that will not be received in the future from decedents who were working at the time of their death. The reduction in disability benefits also offsets the gain, but only by a small amount ($7 billion). The total net gain for the OASDI fund is $205 billion ($2023, discounted,
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w33465/w33465.pdf
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The right to work, for one. Preventing military members from serving without the vaccine, which did not generally prevent spread, and only potentially reduced severity.
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
The right to work, for one. Preventing military members from serving without the vaccine, which did not generally prevent spread, and only potentially reduced severity.
To work is a privilege, not a right.
Ditto to serve in the military.There was no breach of rights.
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@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
The right to work, for one. Preventing military members from serving without the vaccine, which did not generally prevent spread, and only potentially reduced severity.
To work is a privilege, not a right.
Ditto to serve in the military.There was no breach of rights.
@Axtremus said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
The right to work, for one. Preventing military members from serving without the vaccine, which did not generally prevent spread, and only potentially reduced severity.
To work is a privilege, not a right.
Ditto to serve in the military.There was no breach of rights.
No, the fundamental right to work and earn a living is considered inherent in the constitution, and there are many laws codifying the ancillary rights that go along with it. https://pacificlegal.org/right-to-earn-living-is-fundamental/
Now, you don’t have a right to a specific job. My 50 year old fat and asthmatic self cannot go into the Army recruiting station and insist that they make me a Major. But that is not the case, hear. They were already employed. And there are many other rights and laws that protect them. That’s why the Supreme Court and other courts struck down every single employment based mandate that came before them.
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As a side note, go to your local VFW and ask the Vietnam Vets whether it was a privilege to be drafted…
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We don’t need no public input.
