RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines

[LuFins Dad]

My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

[Jolly]

C'mon man! That's not panic worthy.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

That's quite possibly because he's crazy, but not an idiot.

Someone connected enough to reality to fake it is not crazy, by definition. You'll have to go with nefarious.

[Copper]

Question everything.

Then question it again.

That's what oversight does will do.

[Horace]

@Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

Question everything.

Then question it again.

That's what oversight does will do.

You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.

[Copper]

@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

standard rhetoric

One magic day standard rhetoric will go the way of DEI.

[Jolly]

@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

Question everything.

Then question it again.

That's what oversight does will do.

You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.

I know one thing...The actual exasperation at watching the EU run a diagnostic test for two years, compile a mountain of data and then the FDA tells the American medical diagnostic folks that they need to submit their own studies that we can sift through and maybe, just maybe, we'll approve the test in another 18 months is pure silliness.

[jon-nyc]

You’re FDA anecdotes are similar to mine and totally fly in the face of the idea that the FDA is ‘owned’ by pharma.

[Jolly]

I think there are elements within the FDA that are way too chummy with Big Pharma.

[89th]

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

Probably.

I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

Probably.

I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

[89th]

Fair enough. Honestly I’m still waiting for them to rebuild RFK stadium into RFK Jr stadium, sponsored by Trump Hotels. Will be ironic when they bring the thousands of polio kids into the makeshift hospital floor in the stadium grounds.

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

Probably.

I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.

[taiwan_girl]

@89th LOL

@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

From the little I did read about, I agree. Time will tell if he knew what he had to say to get confirmed vs. what he really believes.

It is hard (and kind of unusual) for someone in their 70's to make a 180 degree mind change. Easier to do when a person is in their 20's. In their 70's, not so much.

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl It's actually not very hard to seem very different from oppositional framings of one's character and opinions, as those framings are inevitably exaggerated to the point of breaking with recognizable reality.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

Probably.

I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

He’s both.

[LuFins Dad]

Not even close.

[jon-nyc]

You’re saying his star power and media attention don’t spread vaccine skepticism? Even at the margin?

[jon-nyc]

@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.

In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

Probably.

I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.

A responsible White House would not have subjected American citizens to a breach of their rights over an experimental vaccine, with huge financial and social penalties.

LuFin is correct. The RFK appointment is the direct result of the government lying to us.