RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines
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@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
That's quite possibly because he's crazy, but not an idiot.
@Doctor-Phibes said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
That's quite possibly because he's crazy, but not an idiot.
Someone connected enough to reality to fake it is not crazy, by definition. You'll have to go with nefarious.
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@Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
Question everything.
Then question it again.
That's what oversight
doeswill do.You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.
Education is extremely important.
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@Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
Question everything.
Then question it again.
That's what oversight
doeswill do.You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.
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@Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
Question everything.
Then question it again.
That's what oversight
doeswill do.You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.
@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
Question everything.
Then question it again.
That's what oversight
doeswill do.You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.
I know one thing...The actual exasperation at watching the EU run a diagnostic test for two years, compile a mountain of data and then the FDA tells the American medical diagnostic folks that they need to submit their own studies that we can sift through and maybe, just maybe, we'll approve the test in another 18 months is pure silliness.
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My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
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@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
The Brad
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@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
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@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.
I guess this will be a learning opportunity for all of us. Maybe the oppositional framing of his backlog of interviews will turn out to be the truthiest framing, and maybe this is step one of RFK Jr managing to pull vaccines from the market. Or maybe the reviews will go well, and RFK will message their safety. Someone will learn something one way or another.
I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
@89th LOL
@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
From the little I did read about, I agree. Time will tell if he knew what he had to say to get confirmed vs. what he really believes.
It is hard (and kind of unusual) for someone in their 70's to make a 180 degree mind change. Easier to do when a person is in their 20's. In their 70's, not so much.
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@89th LOL
@Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.
From the little I did read about, I agree. Time will tell if he knew what he had to say to get confirmed vs. what he really believes.
It is hard (and kind of unusual) for someone in their 70's to make a 180 degree mind change. Easier to do when a person is in their 20's. In their 70's, not so much.
@taiwan_girl It's actually not very hard to seem very different from oppositional framings of one's character and opinions, as those framings are inevitably exaggerated to the point of breaking with recognizable reality.
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@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
He’s both.
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Not even close.
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If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.
I really hope he's able to have some positive effect on the general diet/exercise of the typical American....I'm not sure how to achieve that in a way that doesn't have the government overstepping its boundaries, but it'd be nice.
@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.
In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
@Axtremus said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.
Probably.
I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.
You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…
A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.
A responsible White House would not have subjected American citizens to a breach of their rights over an experimental vaccine, with huge financial and social penalties.
LuFin is correct. The RFK appointment is the direct result of the government lying to us.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.
In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.
@jon-nyc said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
@Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:
If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great.
In general this is unlikely. Conspiratorial thinking is generally caused by psychological factors, not dispassionate reviews of evidence. He probably needs new brain wiring, not exposure to yet more evidence.
Simple: Just frame the evidence as an even better conspiracy. Instead of distributing a boring binder full of charts and graphs, they could put it in the form of a 149 page soft cover book for $9.99 at the supermarket: “Common sense things they don’t want you to know.”
