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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    Cassidy must be so proud.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      I wonder if it's occurred to you that RFK Jr putting the stamp of "scientifically approved, by my standards" on these vaccines, which is a likely outcome of these reviews, might be for the good, when so many people who support him are skeptical of those vaccines?

      Education is extremely important.

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        If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.

        I really hope he's able to have some positive effect on the general diet/exercise of the typical American....I'm not sure how to achieve that in a way that doesn't have the government overstepping its boundaries, but it'd be nice.

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        • RichR Rich

          If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.

          I really hope he's able to have some positive effect on the general diet/exercise of the typical American....I'm not sure how to achieve that in a way that doesn't have the government overstepping its boundaries, but it'd be nice.

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          @Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

          If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.

          I guess this will be a learning opportunity for all of us. Maybe the oppositional framing of his backlog of interviews will turn out to be the truthiest framing, and maybe this is step one of RFK Jr managing to pull vaccines from the market. Or maybe the reviews will go well, and RFK will message their safety. Someone will learn something one way or another.

          I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            I wonder if it's occurred to you that RFK Jr putting the stamp of "scientifically approved, by my standards" on these vaccines, which is a likely outcome of these reviews, might be for the good, when so many people who support him are skeptical of those vaccines?

            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
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            @Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

            I wonder if it's occurred to you that RFK Jr putting the stamp of "scientifically approved, by my standards" on these vaccines, which is a likely outcome of these reviews, might be for the good, when so many people who support him are skeptical of those vaccines?

            It could but I suspect he’ll populate these panels with cranks that refuse to consider any evidence from mainstream science saying it’s bought and paid for.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • HoraceH Horace

              @Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

              If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.

              I guess this will be a learning opportunity for all of us. Maybe the oppositional framing of his backlog of interviews will turn out to be the truthiest framing, and maybe this is step one of RFK Jr managing to pull vaccines from the market. Or maybe the reviews will go well, and RFK will message their safety. Someone will learn something one way or another.

              I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

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              @Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

              I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

              That's quite possibly because he's crazy, but not an idiot.

              I was only joking

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                @Rich said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                If RFK is genuinely open to that outcome, that'd be great. Seeing some of his prior interviews, where some commonly accepted vaccines have "tons of studies" that show people end up living longer if they don't get it, seems difficult to overcome.

                I guess this will be a learning opportunity for all of us. Maybe the oppositional framing of his backlog of interviews will turn out to be the truthiest framing, and maybe this is step one of RFK Jr managing to pull vaccines from the market. Or maybe the reviews will go well, and RFK will message their safety. Someone will learn something one way or another.

                I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

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                Rich
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                I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

                I watched some. If the RFK in the hearings in the RFK we get, I'd be happy.

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                  My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

                  The Brad

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                    C'mon man! That's not panic worthy.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      @Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                      I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

                      That's quite possibly because he's crazy, but not an idiot.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                      @Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                      I know nobody here bothered to listen to his confirmation hearings, but he bore little resemblance to an unhinged anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

                      That's quite possibly because he's crazy, but not an idiot.

                      Someone connected enough to reality to fake it is not crazy, by definition. You'll have to go with nefarious.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Question everything.

                        Then question it again.

                        That's what oversight does will do.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          Question everything.

                          Then question it again.

                          That's what oversight does will do.

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                          @Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                          Question everything.

                          Then question it again.

                          That's what oversight does will do.

                          You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                            Question everything.

                            Then question it again.

                            That's what oversight does will do.

                            You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.

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                            @Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                            standard rhetoric

                            One magic day standard rhetoric will go the way of DEI.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                              Question everything.

                              Then question it again.

                              That's what oversight does will do.

                              You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.

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                              @Horace said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                              @Copper said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                              Question everything.

                              Then question it again.

                              That's what oversight does will do.

                              You could chop off half of the FDA regulatory process for new drugs, and if RFK Jr proposed adding it back in, all the standard rhetoric against him would apply.

                              I know one thing...The actual exasperation at watching the EU run a diagnostic test for two years, compile a mountain of data and then the FDA tells the American medical diagnostic folks that they need to submit their own studies that we can sift through and maybe, just maybe, we'll approve the test in another 18 months is pure silliness.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nyc
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                                You’re FDA anecdotes are similar to mine and totally fly in the face of the idea that the FDA is ‘owned’ by pharma.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  I think there are elements within the FDA that are way too chummy with Big Pharma.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                    My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

                                    Probably.

                                    I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                      My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

                                      Probably.

                                      I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

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                                      @89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                      My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

                                      Probably.

                                      I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

                                      You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

                                      The Brad

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                                        Fair enough. Honestly I’m still waiting for them to rebuild RFK stadium into RFK Jr stadium, sponsored by Trump Hotels. Will be ironic when they bring the thousands of polio kids into the makeshift hospital floor in the stadium grounds.

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          @89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                          My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

                                          Probably.

                                          I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

                                          You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                          @89th said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in RFK announced review panel for childhood vaccines:

                                          My bet? They find that the vaccines are safe and effective, though maybe not as safe and effective as advertised, and questions are raised not about the individual vaccines, but the vaccines in aggregate.

                                          Probably.

                                          I’d make a comment that we will see in 5-10 years if there is an increase in health issues related to vaccines that he placed doubts upon. But I also think if you’re a parent who places (or would place) such doubt in vaccines, that your opinion will not be swayed by the RFK doubts, so perhaps the die is already cast with effect of the anti-vaxxer population.

                                          You guys are reversing cause and effect. RFK JR is not the cause of the vaccine hesitancy, he’s the result…

                                          A responsible White House would not nominate such a result of vaccine hesitancy. A responsible Senate majority would not confirm such a result of vaccine hesitancy.

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