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  • Everybody gets a trophy

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    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ZShchYHw4/?mibextid=wwXIfr
  • Still nope

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    LuFins DadL
    I’d be worried about not being able to get out… Having it fall in on me and having to try to dig my way out…
  • Trump sends a totally deranged letter to Norwegian President

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    LuFins DadL
    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sends a totally deranged letter to Norwegian President: They didn't give him the Nobel Prize for physics either, so presumably he's had to drag himself away from constantly thinking about black holes. Excluding Candace?
  • Funny Pics

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  • ChatGPT validates your worldview

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    in Shadows over innsmouth, the narrator seems intentionally unreliable. Is Lovecraft ever intentionally reliable in his writing of his mythology? Short answer: yes—but only in a very narrow, strategic sense. Lovecraft is selectively reliable, and when he is, it’s usually to make the universe feel more unstable rather than less. Let me unpack that. The Unreliable Core: The Shadow over Innsmouth You’re right that the narrator here feels intentionally unreliable. But the unreliability isn’t just psychological—it’s ontological. He begins as a rational observer Gains information through fragmentary, biased, or decayed sources Ends by embracing what should horrify him That final turn is crucial: the narrator isn’t merely mistaken; his values have inverted. From a human perspective, he has become unreliable precisely because he has become more accurate within Lovecraft’s cosmic framework. This pattern is deliberate and repeated. Is Lovecraft Ever “Reliable”? Lovecraft almost never gives you a humanly reliable narrator—but he does sometimes give you narrators who are cosmically reliable, meaning: Their conclusions are consistent with the actual structure of the Lovecraftian universe, even if those conclusions are insane, incomplete, or self-annihilating. When Lovecraft Allows Reliability Lovecraft tends to be “reliable” only when one or more of the following is true: 1. The narrator is limited but sincere They don’t understand everything, but they aren’t lying or delusional in a conventional sense. Examples: At the Mountains of Madness The Call of Cthulhu These narrators: Cross-check documents Acknowledge uncertainty Avoid grand metaphysical claims They’re “reliable” in the sense that their evidence-gathering is honest, even if the conclusions remain partial. 2. The narrator is already broken—but lucid Lovecraft often uses narrators whose sanity is compromised after revelation, not before it. Example: The Whisperer in Darkness Here, reliability exists briefly—then collapses. The horror is precisely that the narrator was rational, and thus what he learned must have been real. 3. The narrator’s unreliability is the message This is where Innsmouth fits best. Lovecraft sometimes writes narrators who are unreliable because the universe is incompatible with stable human cognition. In these cases: Madness ≠ error Sanity ≠ truth Acceptance = accuracy The narrator becomes “reliable” only by abandoning humanity’s moral and epistemic framework. Lovecraft’s Mythology Is the Only Reliable Thing Here’s the key insight: Lovecraft does not trust narrators—but he does trust his cosmology. Across stories, despite contradictions and retcons: The cosmos is ancient, indifferent, and non-anthropocentric Human perception is fundamentally inadequate Knowledge corrodes identity Even when narrators disagree, panic, or collapse, the ontological facts remain consistent: The Old Ones existed Humanity is incidental Revelation is corrosive So Lovecraft’s reliability is structural, not personal. A Useful Way to Think About It You might think of Lovecraft as writing like this: Narrators: epistemically unstable instruments Documents: partial, decayed data Mythos: the only thing that never lies In Innsmouth, the narrator doesn’t become unreliable because he’s wrong—he becomes unreliable because he’s right and can no longer afford to be human about it. If you want, I can: Compare this to Poe’s intentionally unreliable narrators Contrast Lovecraft with Borges (who inverts this logic) Or drill into whether Lovecraft accidentally undermines reliability through inconsistency vs doing it deliberately Just say the direction.
  • Invading Greenland - suicide.

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    MikM
    All this crap about making territories into US property is just idiotic.
  • Messing with Ohio's Haitians

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    @LuFins-Dad said in Messing with Ohio's Haitians: @mik I would suggest that you read Asra Nomani’s reporting on it. While they are registered and documented, there is a shit ton of illegality and corruption surrounding the process of the process, their employment, and their housing. It is essentially a modern day slavery/indentured servant status that is resulting in the community turning to heavy drug use, which is leading to more and more problems. These people are victims as well, and maintaining the status quo will make it worse. I've lived in that blighted city for several years. It ALWAYS had heavy drug use, even in the 70's. We've had the equivalent of slavery by illegals in this country as long as I've been alive. I'd venture to say it's still better than their prospects in Haiti.
  • From child star to literary heavyweight

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    I can't read the article, but I seem to remember she had a lot of problems with eating disorders, alcoholism, and a truly horrendous mother pushing her.
  • Mildly interesting

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    MikM
    Wow. I was there on opening day when umpire John McSherry dropped dead on the field. This story is wilder.
  • Just one unforced error after another

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    MikM
    I suspect his chairmanship will be declared over by his successor.
  • The Cookbook

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    MikM
    The sauce is fantastic. Spicy and sweet. Will be great over rice.
  • Stranger Things

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    @Mik said in Stranger Things: I watched a couple episodes over Christmas. Meh. Reminds me of Lost vapid and spins and really goes nowhere. They had 3 years to get it right… I wonder if that was actually too long? They were reportedly still writing the last episode during filming. Maybe they had too many ideas and got indecisive?
  • Don't forget about Artemis

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    I feel like this should be a bigger news, they rolled out Artemis 2 to the launchpad this weekend, it’s cool that they use the same crawler I believe that was used during the Apollo missions. I believe the earliest possible lunch date is February 6, with other launch dates spanning throughout the spring.
  • NY Phil tonight

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    And yes I'll die on the hill that the Ossia Cadenza is MUCH better than the cheap Tocatta Cadenza.
  • University Rankings by Scientific Research Output

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    89th8
    Personally I'm impressed that @moonbat is able to capture these thread that overlap with his area of expertise (e.g., scientific research) out of left field. No pun intended.
  • How not to lower home prices

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    You already can take a low interest loan out against your 401K for a home purchase, and the interest is paid back to you, and it happens before taxes are withdrawn. Beyond that, there are so many first time howler downpayment assistance options out there, that you would have to have to nothing in the way of a downpayment to have the downpayment be your obstacle.
  • Real or AI?

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    89th8
    They’re real and they’re spectacular
  • A different type of show…

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    89th8
    Yeah sounds really cool
  • Hey TG!!!!!

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    89th8
    Howdy!