This is all we need
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@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:
Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.
That may very well be true. But I observe that the vaccine discussions have become so polarized due to the "anti-vax" idiots that it has become difficult to have a real discussion about benefits and risks of vaccines. There are risks to vaccines (e.g., allergies), and for some vaccines the risks are in many cases more severe than the potential gain (such as for tubercolosis vaccines). That doesn't change the fact that the standard set of vaccines that children get these days are a blessing and a "no-brainer". But it would be a bad idea to proclaim that every vaccine is good and has no side-effects worth mentioning.
Over here, the Thalidomide/birth defect scandal is still very much in the public memory. There are good reasons for the long and expensive process to get a drug approved.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 15:42 last edited by@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 15:59 last edited by
I'm confident that party lines will be maintained.
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@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:06 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in This is all we need:
@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.
I wouldn’t think so - maybe just for certain professions.
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@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:07 last edited by@Horace said in This is all we need:
@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.
It’s possible that all non-coercive plans suck, at least for this particular culture.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:18 last edited by
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
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The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:21 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in This is all we need:
... I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
Specific, measurable predictions?
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The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:22 last edited by@Horace said in This is all we need:
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly
There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:23 last edited by
That our culture won't be an outlier statistically compared to other cultures in terms of death rate of the virus over the coming year? Is that specific enough?
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@Horace said in This is all we need:
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly
There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:
@Horace said in This is all we need:
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly
There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.
I'm anticipating masks as an ordinary thing. And the people not wearing them will not totally destroy the effectiveness of a majority who do.
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That our culture won't be an outlier statistically compared to other cultures in terms of death rate of the virus over the coming year? Is that specific enough?
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:30 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in This is all we need:
That our culture won't be an outlier statistically compared to other cultures in terms of death rate of the virus over the coming year? Is that specific enough?
It is a really low bar. It would be satisfied by something like ‘hey look, the UK fucked this up too!’ (Or whichever country).
Doesn’t seem as confident as your earlier statement.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:41 last edited by
"Numbers won't scream" is not a particularly bold statement and is adequately reframed as "numbers won't be an outlier".