This is all we need

[George K]

@Mik said in This is all we need:

They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.

(No, I didn't look at her tweets)

What I find surprising is that Owens has always struck me as being intelligent and well-spoken. I guess one can be intelligent and stupid at the same time. Now, she's just another anti-vax nutter.

[Mik]

Yeah, I though the same thing. But now that she's running for office she's playing to the base. And I do mean base.

[Klaus]

I haven't looked at her other tweets either, but I have also seen some crazy other stuff from her, so I wouldn't be surprised if her tweet is meant to be taken literally, but there is some merit to the argument that an extremely rushed development and testing would lead to a potentially rather dangerous vaccine, simply because risks haven't been properly tested for. Every vaccine requires a good analysis of the risk/reward ratio. For many people, the COVID-19 risk isn't very high (compared to, say, measles or smallpox), hence it would be necessary to do a lot of analysis of its risks before recommending it for general use.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in This is all we need:

@Mik said in This is all we need:

They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.

(No, I didn't look at her tweets)

What I find surprising is that Owens has always struck me as being intelligent and well-spoken. I guess one can be intelligent and stupid at the same time. Now, she's just another anti-vax nutter.

As far as I can tell, she's a political activist who's now decided to run for office.

Whatever happened to people getting actual jobs?

[jon-nyc]

Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.

[Horace]

@Mik said in This is all we need:

They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.

If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.

[Klaus]

@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:

Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.

That may very well be true. But I observe that the vaccine discussions have become so polarized due to the "anti-vax" idiots that it has become difficult to have a real discussion about benefits and risks of vaccines. There are risks to vaccines (e.g., allergies), and for some vaccines the risks are in many cases more severe than the potential gain (such as for tubercolosis vaccines). That doesn't change the fact that the standard set of vaccines that children get these days are a blessing and a "no-brainer". But it would be a bad idea to proclaim that every vaccine is good and has no side-effects worth mentioning.

Over here, the Thalidomide/birth defect scandal is still very much in the public memory. There are good reasons for the long and expensive process to get a drug approved.

[jon-nyc]

Yeah, our main law requiring manufacturers to prove safety came out of the thalidomide scandal. And it was much smaller here.

[LuFins Dad]

@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.

[Copper]

I'm confident that party lines will be maintained.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad said in This is all we need:

@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.

I wouldn’t think so - maybe just for certain professions.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in This is all we need:

@Mik said in This is all we need:

They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.

If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.

It’s possible that all non-coercive plans suck, at least for this particular culture.

[Horace]

The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in This is all we need:

... I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.

Specific, measurable predictions?

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in This is all we need:

The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly

There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.

[Horace]

That our culture won't be an outlier statistically compared to other cultures in terms of death rate of the virus over the coming year? Is that specific enough?

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:

@Horace said in This is all we need:

The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly

There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.

I'm anticipating masks as an ordinary thing. And the people not wearing them will not totally destroy the effectiveness of a majority who do.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in This is all we need:

That our culture won't be an outlier statistically compared to other cultures in terms of death rate of the virus over the coming year? Is that specific enough?

It is a really low bar. It would be satisfied by something like ‘hey look, the UK fucked this up too!’ (Or whichever country).

Doesn’t seem as confident as your earlier statement.

[Horace]

"Numbers won't scream" is not a particularly bold statement and is adequately reframed as "numbers won't be an outlier".