This is all we need
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 12:25 last edited by Doctor Phibes
@George-K said in This is all we need:
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bettercrazier:If you look at all of this silly woman's Tweets, she thinks Covid is all a big con. Basically, she's got more opinions than brain cells, so she's perfect for Twitter.
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Things must be getting better if we are debating the musings of the long end of the curve. So many people I’ve never heard of. People I respected when I was growing up used to say, who wrote this before they would read it.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 13:12 last edited by
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 13:26 last edited by
@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
(No, I didn't look at her tweets)
What I find surprising is that Owens has always struck me as being intelligent and well-spoken. I guess one can be intelligent and stupid at the same time. Now, she's just another anti-vax nutter.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 13:34 last edited by
Yeah, I though the same thing. But now that she's running for office she's playing to the base. And I do mean base.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 13:35 last edited by Klaus
I haven't looked at her other tweets either, but I have also seen some crazy other stuff from her, so I wouldn't be surprised if her tweet is meant to be taken literally, but there is some merit to the argument that an extremely rushed development and testing would lead to a potentially rather dangerous vaccine, simply because risks haven't been properly tested for. Every vaccine requires a good analysis of the risk/reward ratio. For many people, the COVID-19 risk isn't very high (compared to, say, measles or smallpox), hence it would be necessary to do a lot of analysis of its risks before recommending it for general use.
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@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
(No, I didn't look at her tweets)
What I find surprising is that Owens has always struck me as being intelligent and well-spoken. I guess one can be intelligent and stupid at the same time. Now, she's just another anti-vax nutter.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 14:16 last edited by@George-K said in This is all we need:
@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
(No, I didn't look at her tweets)
What I find surprising is that Owens has always struck me as being intelligent and well-spoken. I guess one can be intelligent and stupid at the same time. Now, she's just another anti-vax nutter.
As far as I can tell, she's a political activist who's now decided to run for office.
Whatever happened to people getting actual jobs?
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 14:35 last edited by jon-nyc
Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 14:42 last edited by
@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.
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Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 14:47 last edited by Klaus@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:
Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.
That may very well be true. But I observe that the vaccine discussions have become so polarized due to the "anti-vax" idiots that it has become difficult to have a real discussion about benefits and risks of vaccines. There are risks to vaccines (e.g., allergies), and for some vaccines the risks are in many cases more severe than the potential gain (such as for tubercolosis vaccines). That doesn't change the fact that the standard set of vaccines that children get these days are a blessing and a "no-brainer". But it would be a bad idea to proclaim that every vaccine is good and has no side-effects worth mentioning.
Over here, the Thalidomide/birth defect scandal is still very much in the public memory. There are good reasons for the long and expensive process to get a drug approved.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 14:54 last edited by
Yeah, our main law requiring manufacturers to prove safety came out of the thalidomide scandal. And it was much smaller here.
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@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:
Klaus - I don’t think she’s adopted the attitude out of safety concerns, I think it’s more about ‘owning the libs’. Or something like that.
That may very well be true. But I observe that the vaccine discussions have become so polarized due to the "anti-vax" idiots that it has become difficult to have a real discussion about benefits and risks of vaccines. There are risks to vaccines (e.g., allergies), and for some vaccines the risks are in many cases more severe than the potential gain (such as for tubercolosis vaccines). That doesn't change the fact that the standard set of vaccines that children get these days are a blessing and a "no-brainer". But it would be a bad idea to proclaim that every vaccine is good and has no side-effects worth mentioning.
Over here, the Thalidomide/birth defect scandal is still very much in the public memory. There are good reasons for the long and expensive process to get a drug approved.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 15:42 last edited by@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 15:59 last edited by
I'm confident that party lines will be maintained.
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@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:06 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in This is all we need:
@Klaus at this point it doesn’t matter. Mob rule. I’m confident the vaccine will be made mandatory here.
I wouldn’t think so - maybe just for certain professions.
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@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:07 last edited by@Horace said in This is all we need:
@Mik said in This is all we need:
They are going to flush every sacrifice that has been made right down the toilet.
If these sorts of folk ruin the whole containment plan, then the plan sucked.
It’s possible that all non-coercive plans suck, at least for this particular culture.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:18 last edited by
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
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The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:21 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in This is all we need:
... I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
Specific, measurable predictions?
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The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly, and I suspect they will not scream so in the future. But we will see.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:22 last edited by@Horace said in This is all we need:
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly
There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.
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wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:23 last edited by
That our culture won't be an outlier statistically compared to other cultures in terms of death rate of the virus over the coming year? Is that specific enough?
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@Horace said in This is all we need:
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly
There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.
wrote on 29 Apr 2020, 17:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in This is all we need:
@Horace said in This is all we need:
The numbers are not screaming that our culture is doing particularly badly
There’s currently quite a bit of coercive social distancing.
I'm anticipating masks as an ordinary thing. And the people not wearing them will not totally destroy the effectiveness of a majority who do.