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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #35

    The right to associate or not to associate is real, but when it comes to organizations not unlimited, usually based on size and exactly how one discriminates in membership. But it is real.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?

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      Jolly
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      #36

      @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

      Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?

      Not in Oberlin.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • CopperC Copper

        @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

        I'd stop digging, if I were you.

        No need

        But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

        I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Doctor Phibes
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        #37

        @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

        @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

        I'd stop digging, if I were you.

        No need

        But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

        I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

        I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.

        I was only joking

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #38

          Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by
            #39

            @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

            Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

            Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

            I was only joking

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
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              #40

              Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.

              As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.

              As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.

              Elbows up!

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                I'd stop digging, if I were you.

                No need

                But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

                I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

                I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.

                CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #41

                @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                I'd stop digging, if I were you.

                No need

                But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

                I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

                I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.

                Get this

                I am neither for nor against diversity in this forum

                Sorry, I’m sure you’ll be crawling around looking for your pearls for a while.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                  Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

                  Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

                  MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #42

                  @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                  @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                  Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

                  Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

                  Are you daydrinking?

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                    @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                    Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

                    Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

                    Are you daydrinking?

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                    #43

                    @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                    Are you daydrinking?

                    I am, NTTAWWT.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

                      Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

                      Are you daydrinking?

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #44

                      @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

                      Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

                      Are you daydrinking?

                      Do you think it would help?

                      I was only joking

                      MikM 1 Reply Last reply
                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                        @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                        @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                        Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

                        Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

                        Are you daydrinking?

                        Do you think it would help?

                        MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #45

                        @doctor-phibes probably.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.

                          As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.

                          As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.

                          JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #46

                          @renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                          Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.

                          As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.

                          As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.

                          That makes it more interesting and launches this issue into my wheelhouse. I've been involved with cemetery stuff at the church for the last couple of years. If it's a private cemetery, the by-laws apply and not public accommodation laws.

                          Right or wrong, the 81 year-old lady was pointing out what was on the books. Don't like it? Bring it before the church and have the rules changed.

                          And apparently, that's what happened. You can now all dig your panties out of the crack of your collective asses....

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                            Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.

                            As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.

                            As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.

                            That makes it more interesting and launches this issue into my wheelhouse. I've been involved with cemetery stuff at the church for the last couple of years. If it's a private cemetery, the by-laws apply and not public accommodation laws.

                            Right or wrong, the 81 year-old lady was pointing out what was on the books. Don't like it? Bring it before the church and have the rules changed.

                            And apparently, that's what happened. You can now all dig your panties out of the crack of your collective asses....

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                            Renauda
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                            #47

                            @jolly ....and it took what and how long since the 1960s for them to review their books?

                            Thought so.

                            You sort your own laundry out.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @jolly ....and it took what and how long since the 1960s for them to review their books?

                              Thought so.

                              You sort your own laundry out.

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                              Jolly
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                              #48

                              @renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                              @jolly ....and it took what and how long since the 1960s for them to review their books?

                              Thought so.

                              You sort your own laundry out.

                              Those things are not routinely reviewed. The operating policies are drawn up, then voted on. As long as they stipulate certain things such as plot prices, plot locations, grave depths, etc., the policies are not revisited. The state mandates a certain amount of funds in escrow, if plots are sold as perpetual care and the state requests an initial plot map and a periodic update.

                              Now, you basically don't know what the fuck you are talking about and on this issue you have an opinion based on no knowledge.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                @jolly ....and it took what and how long since the 1960s for them to review their books?

                                Thought so.

                                You sort your own laundry out.

                                Those things are not routinely reviewed. The operating policies are drawn up, then voted on. As long as they stipulate certain things such as plot prices, plot locations, grave depths, etc., the policies are not revisited. The state mandates a certain amount of funds in escrow, if plots are sold as perpetual care and the state requests an initial plot map and a periodic update.

                                Now, you basically don't know what the fuck you are talking about and on this issue you have an opinion based on no knowledge.

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                                Rich
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                                @jolly The argument that this policy was some unintended carry over from yesteryear would hold more sway if the caretaker didn't tell them they couldn't do business the instant she saw black people.

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                                • RichR Rich

                                  @jolly The argument that this policy was some unintended carry over from yesteryear would hold more sway if the caretaker didn't tell them they couldn't do business the instant she saw black people.

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                                  Jolly
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                                  @rich said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                  @jolly The argument that this policy was some unintended carry over from yesteryear would hold more sway if the caretaker didn't tell them they couldn't do business the instant she saw black people.

                                  She's 81. For all I know, she could have wrote the policy. And that may be her personal feelings.

                                  What I am saying, is that these things are not part of a normal cycle of review within a church that has a cemetery.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                    @jolly ....and it took what and how long since the 1960s for them to review their books?

                                    Thought so.

                                    You sort your own laundry out.

                                    Those things are not routinely reviewed. The operating policies are drawn up, then voted on. As long as they stipulate certain things such as plot prices, plot locations, grave depths, etc., the policies are not revisited. The state mandates a certain amount of funds in escrow, if plots are sold as perpetual care and the state requests an initial plot map and a periodic update.

                                    Now, you basically don't know what the fuck you are talking about and on this issue you have an opinion based on no knowledge.

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                                    Renauda
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                                    #51

                                    @jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                    Now, you basically don't know what the fuck you are talking about and on this issue you have an opinion based on no knowledge.

                                    Basically you are probably right but that still doesn't explain why in 2021 black folks still could not purchase grave plots in the cemetery. In this day and age of legalese and litigation suggesting these policies are not regularly reviewed by the management and BoD strikes me as either a lame excuse or just plain disingenuous.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Rainman
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                                      #52

                                      @jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                      Now, you basically don't know what the fuck you are talking about and on this issue you have an opinion based on no knowledge.

                                      Well, that pretty much sums up a lot of us, eh?

                                      And as for blacks being buried there, that's fine. I'm perfectly fine with that. No problem, this is 2021, the rage of intersectionality, CRT, SJW, everything is racist or needs to be. I get it, I'm in, BLM+.

                                      But of course, no Mexicans.

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                                        Horace
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                                        #53

                                        Or Irish.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                          Now, you basically don't know what the fuck you are talking about and on this issue you have an opinion based on no knowledge.

                                          Basically you are probably right but that still doesn't explain why in 2021 black folks still could not purchase grave plots in the cemetery. In this day and age of legalese and litigation suggesting these policies are not regularly reviewed by the management and BoD strikes me as either a lame excuse or just plain disingenuous.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          @renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                          that still doesn't explain why in 2021 black folks still could not purchase grave plots in the cemetery.

                                          In case you missed it above, they changed the policy, black folks can buy the grave plot.

                                          I hope that helps with your outrage.

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