Pardonpalooza
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wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 22:10 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:16 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:28 last edited by
Strong rumors...
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:38 last edited by
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@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:46 last edited by kluurs@copper said in Pardonpalooza:
@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 06:14 last edited by
He actually pardoned Bannon. Wow.
It went from Mexico paying to the wall to Bannon defrauding Trump supporters to pay for it then getting pardoned.
Disgusting.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 10:28 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:
Strong rumors...
What happened to him? He doesn't exactly look healthy.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:25 last edited by George K
Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.
The list:
ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?
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Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.
The list:
ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:38 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:44 last edited by George K
In this list of controversial pardons, I wonder where Bannon would rank.
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1858: Buchanan pardons the Mormons
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1865: Johnson pardons Confederate soldiers
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1977: Carter pardons draft dodgers
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2001: Clinton pardons Patty Hearst, Weathermen
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2001: Clinton pardons his half-brother
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2017: Obama frees WikiLeaks source Chelsea Manning
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1971: Nixon frees Lt. William Calley
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1999 and 2017: FALN terrorists
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1974: Ford pardons Nixon
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2001: Clinton pardons Marc Rich
ETA: I would think, perhaps, that the pardon of Kushner is more controversial than Bannon.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:53 last edited by
My least favorite modern pardon isn’t even on your list, it was Obama pardoning the unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorist.
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My least favorite modern pardon isn’t even on your list, it was Obama pardoning the unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorist.
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:56 last edited by@jon-nyc I don't know why that list got renumbered (@Klaus ), but it's #17:
Clinton in 1999 outraged members of both parties when he offered prison commutations to 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist organization FALN, which set off more than 100 bombs in the 1970s and ’80s, killing six.
Clinton said the FALN members were serving disproportionately tough sentences and that those offered clemency “were not convicted of crimes involving the killing or maiming of any individuals.”
Many bombings hit New York, and Clinton’s wife, Hillary Clinton, then running for the Senate in New York, said she opposed the action. The Senate voted 95-2 to oppose the clemency and the House voted 311-41. But because the presidential pardon power is absolute, the votes could not reverse the action.
Years later, President Barack Obama released another FALN member, Oscar Lopez Rivera, who had refused to accept Clinton’s clemency offer, which required the separatists to renounce violence, because it didn’t free all members of the group.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 14:15 last edited by
OMG, look at that face.
How could he pardon an unattractive person?
He looks kind of scary.
Yuck
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 17:36 last edited by jon-nyc
This one is kind of gross.
Dr. Salomon E. Melgen, 66, a major Democratic donor and eye doctor who ran a series of clinics in Florida that fraudulently told Medicare patients that they had eye diseases and then performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, falsely billing the federal government at least $42 million, according to prosecutors. His remaining prison sentence was commuted.
He was the largest Medicare fraudster in history, performed unnecessary procedures on senior citizens and is still serving a sentence.
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This one is kind of gross.
Dr. Salomon E. Melgen, 66, a major Democratic donor and eye doctor who ran a series of clinics in Florida that fraudulently told Medicare patients that they had eye diseases and then performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, falsely billing the federal government at least $42 million, according to prosecutors. His remaining prison sentence was commuted.
He was the largest Medicare fraudster in history, performed unnecessary procedures on senior citizens and is still serving a sentence.
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 17:42 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:
This one is kind of gross.
Dr. Salomon E. Melgen, 66, a major Democratic donor and eye doctor who ran a series of clinics in Florida that fraudulently told Medicare patients that they had eye diseases and then performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, falsely billing the federal government at least $42 million, according to prosecutors. His remaining prison sentence was commuted.
He was the largest Medicare fraudster in history, performed unnecessary procedures on senior citizens and is still serving a sentence.
Yuck but a deep dive into this one is going to involve Sen. Bob Melendez.
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@jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:
This one is kind of gross.
Dr. Salomon E. Melgen, 66, a major Democratic donor and eye doctor who ran a series of clinics in Florida that fraudulently told Medicare patients that they had eye diseases and then performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, falsely billing the federal government at least $42 million, according to prosecutors. His remaining prison sentence was commuted.
He was the largest Medicare fraudster in history, performed unnecessary procedures on senior citizens and is still serving a sentence.
Yuck but a deep dive into this one is going to involve Sen. Bob Melendez.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 18:23 last edited by
I get all the theoretical arguments for using pardons as a pressure valve on errors made by the judiciary.
The theory is nice - but it seems like these disproportionately go to folks high-profile enough to get the ear of the President.
Maybe there should be some sort of veto against these... e.g., if all SC justices say no or something.. something.
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I get all the theoretical arguments for using pardons as a pressure valve on errors made by the judiciary.
The theory is nice - but it seems like these disproportionately go to folks high-profile enough to get the ear of the President.
Maybe there should be some sort of veto against these... e.g., if all SC justices say no or something.. something.
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 18:33 last edited by@xenon said in Pardonpalooza:
Maybe there should be some sort of veto against these... e.g., if all SC justices say no or something.. something.
That would require a Constitutional amendment.
Not gonna happen.
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@xenon said in Pardonpalooza:
Maybe there should be some sort of veto against these... e.g., if all SC justices say no or something.. something.
That would require a Constitutional amendment.
Not gonna happen.
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 18:57 last edited by xenon@george-k said in Pardonpalooza:
@xenon said in Pardonpalooza:
Maybe there should be some sort of veto against these... e.g., if all SC justices say no or something.. something.
That would require a Constitutional amendment.
Not gonna happen.
It seems like the bottleneck is that a sitting President has to ask for a curb to his power. Some of his party would fall in line, and the opposition would almost certainly oblige.