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First Doses First strategy

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 15:54 last edited by
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    Median age in ICU for covid is ~65, median age in hospital is ~62.

    So vaccinating 62+ cuts hospital utilization in half.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      Mik
      wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 16:00 last edited by
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      Still, you are changing strategy based on hope, not data. Bad idea.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/world/dr-fauci-advises-against-the-british-approach-of-delaying-a-second-dose-of-vaccine.html

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Rich
        wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 16:05 last edited by
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        Wow. It still makes a certain amount of sense to me to place 'front line' medical staff at or near the front of the line. (even if using the 'deserves it' reasoning) But all of these other categories ahead of those who clearly have the worst outcomes?

        It'll be interesting to watch the charts on numbers of deaths and how they relate to what strategy each state uses.

        I wonder what level of accountability there will or won't be for these decisions. I have a guess...

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        • J jon-nyc
          11 Jan 2021, 13:01

          The UK is already doing this. Seems almost certain to save lives on net.

          https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/08/politics/biden-vaccine-strategy/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

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          Loki
          wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 16:16 last edited by
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          I suspect we know exactly how the vaccine behaves and the real issue is convincing the public.

          We have likely made up risk that really doesn’t exist.

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            Mik
            wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 16:33 last edited by
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            Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

            But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • M Mik
              11 Jan 2021, 16:33

              Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

              But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 17:19 last edited by
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              @mik said in First Doses First strategy:

              Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

              But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

              Yep.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • M Mik
                11 Jan 2021, 16:33

                Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

                But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

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                kluurs
                wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 17:27 last edited by
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                @mik Do the time tested strategy of getting other experts.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 17:29 last edited by
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                  Which approach helps Social Security Solvency?

                  The Brad

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                    11 Jan 2021, 17:29

                    Which approach helps Social Security Solvency?

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 17:41 last edited by
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                    @lufins-dad

                    Live virus injections. Lots of it. Everyone over 50.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 17:52 last edited by
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                      Trump administration now backs First Dose First strategy.

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        13 Jan 2021, 17:52

                        Trump administration now backs First Dose First strategy.

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/

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                        Loki
                        wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 18:37 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc said in First Doses First strategy:

                        Trump administration now backs First Dose First strategy.

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/

                        Excellent. Now let’s get that Astra Zeneca vaccine out so that we can life back to normal ASAP. At least to those willing. I’m in. Heck I would take the J&J one today.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 18:44 last edited by
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                          What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

                          The Brad

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                            13 Jan 2021, 18:44

                            What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 19:22 last edited by
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                            @lufins-dad said in First Doses First strategy:

                            What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

                            Liability

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                              13 Jan 2021, 18:44

                              What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 20:16 last edited by
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                              @lufins-dad said in First Doses First strategy:

                              What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

                              Doctors are split and developers are answering the wrong question.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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