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First Doses First strategy

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #19

    Median age in ICU for covid is ~65, median age in hospital is ~62.

    So vaccinating 62+ cuts hospital utilization in half.

    You were warned.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Still, you are changing strategy based on hope, not data. Bad idea.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/world/dr-fauci-advises-against-the-british-approach-of-delaying-a-second-dose-of-vaccine.html

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Wow. It still makes a certain amount of sense to me to place 'front line' medical staff at or near the front of the line. (even if using the 'deserves it' reasoning) But all of these other categories ahead of those who clearly have the worst outcomes?

        It'll be interesting to watch the charts on numbers of deaths and how they relate to what strategy each state uses.

        I wonder what level of accountability there will or won't be for these decisions. I have a guess...

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          The UK is already doing this. Seems almost certain to save lives on net.

          https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/08/politics/biden-vaccine-strategy/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

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          I suspect we know exactly how the vaccine behaves and the real issue is convincing the public.

          We have likely made up risk that really doesn’t exist.

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          • MikM Offline
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            Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

            But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

              But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

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              @mik said in First Doses First strategy:

              Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

              But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

              Yep.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Mik

                Show credible data that contradicts Fauci. My suspicion is this is likely the only thing Biden can do differently than Trump and perhaps claim victory.

                But what happened to following the experts' advice? Gone like a fart in the wind.

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                @mik Do the time tested strategy of getting other experts.

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  Which approach helps Social Security Solvency?

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    Which approach helps Social Security Solvency?

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @lufins-dad

                    Live virus injections. Lots of it. Everyone over 50.

                    You were warned.

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                      Trump administration now backs First Dose First strategy.

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/

                      You were warned.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Trump administration now backs First Dose First strategy.

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/

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                        @jon-nyc said in First Doses First strategy:

                        Trump administration now backs First Dose First strategy.

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/

                        Excellent. Now let’s get that Astra Zeneca vaccine out so that we can life back to normal ASAP. At least to those willing. I’m in. Heck I would take the J&J one today.

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                          What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

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                            @lufins-dad said in First Doses First strategy:

                            What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

                            Liability

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

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                              @lufins-dad said in First Doses First strategy:

                              What do the doctors say? What do the vaccine developers recommend?

                              Doctors are split and developers are answering the wrong question.

                              You were warned.

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