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Wasting Your Vote

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  • Catseye3C Offline
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    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      In our system, unless a third party candidate has overwhelming support (i.e. Bernie Sanders in recent times), almost any election featuring a third party candidate, is a siphon of votes for one of the two major party candidates.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Gotta walk before you can run. To get to a point that a third party can make a difference, they've got to start out small. The effect is cumulative. As more people see 5% grow to 8%, more people will join in.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • MikM Away
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          I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

              JollyJ Offline
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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

              My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

              His perspective may be slightly different.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Mik

                I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

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                @Mik said in Wasting Your Vote:

                I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

                The Tea Party was mostly a subset of the GOP.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  To a degree, but they were NOT the rank and file.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                    My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                    His perspective may be slightly different.

                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                    My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                    His perspective may be slightly different.

                    As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      His perspective may be slightly different.

                      As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans.

                      "If you're screaming 'THIS is what a police state looks like' in a public place, you have no idea what a police state looks like."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          On the ballot in all 50...

                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/libertarian-nominee-jo-jorgensen-wants-presidential-debate-stage/5927069002/

                          Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

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                          @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                          Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

                          In Virginia, Biden will win the state. So for me it’s a protest for a 3rd party to get more votes even though they obviously won’t win. I’d never vote for Biden, and I refuse to support Trump on moral grounds, so...either I don’t vote, or I vote for Jo. Either way, the result of Biden winning Virginia is the same, except in this case the libertarian will see one more vote.

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                            I was either going to write in somebody or vote libertarian had Bernie won. But again, in NY it’s a bit of a non-issue.

                            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                              Votes are easy if they don't matter, but the messaging power of being able to honestly say that you voted for someone. Votes become hard if you have to make a difficult choice.

                              Education is extremely important.

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