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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #4

    I did not consider my vote for Johnson/Weld in 2016 wasted, nor my vote for John Anderson in 1980. I honestly believed they were the best qualified candidates. I do not feel the same way about Jo Jorgenson, nor do I think her running mate is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, so I am left with one of the major party candidates.

    But I will never consider a third party vote wasted.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Catseye3
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      #5

      👍

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        In our system, unless a third party candidate has overwhelming support (i.e. Bernie Sanders in recent times), almost any election featuring a third party candidate, is a siphon of votes for one of the two major party candidates.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          #7

          Gotta walk before you can run. To get to a point that a third party can make a difference, they've got to start out small. The effect is cumulative. As more people see 5% grow to 8%, more people will join in.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
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            #8

            I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • Doctor PhibesD Online
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #9

              My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                His perspective may be slightly different.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Mik

                  I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  @Mik said in Wasting Your Vote:

                  I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

                  The Tea Party was mostly a subset of the GOP.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    To a degree, but they were NOT the rank and file.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      His perspective may be slightly different.

                      Doctor PhibesD Online
                      Doctor PhibesD Online
                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                      #13

                      @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      His perspective may be slightly different.

                      As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                        His perspective may be slightly different.

                        As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

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                        George K
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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans.

                        "If you're screaming 'THIS is what a police state looks like' in a public place, you have no idea what a police state looks like."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #15

                          You were warned.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            On the ballot in all 50...

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/libertarian-nominee-jo-jorgensen-wants-presidential-debate-stage/5927069002/

                            Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

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                            @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                            Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

                            In Virginia, Biden will win the state. So for me it’s a protest for a 3rd party to get more votes even though they obviously won’t win. I’d never vote for Biden, and I refuse to support Trump on moral grounds, so...either I don’t vote, or I vote for Jo. Either way, the result of Biden winning Virginia is the same, except in this case the libertarian will see one more vote.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #17

                              I was either going to write in somebody or vote libertarian had Bernie won. But again, in NY it’s a bit of a non-issue.

                              You were warned.

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                                Votes are easy if they don't matter, but the messaging power of being able to honestly say that you voted for someone. Votes become hard if you have to make a difficult choice.

                                Education is extremely important.

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