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Wasting Your Vote

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    On the ballot in all 50...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/libertarian-nominee-jo-jorgensen-wants-presidential-debate-stage/5927069002/

    Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      (I agree with you , but will try and answer your question)

      Because voting for the same two party just means we will get more of the same in the future. If a third-party gets enough votes, then maybe people will realize that there is a lot of anger and dissatisfaction towards them.

      It is like the dictator that says, “everybody loves me, I got 90% of the vote.“

      But in this case, it is the two parties saying that. “They must love us, because between us, we got almost 100% of the vote”

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #3

        The best polls show her getting 5%. That's inconsequential, but enough to tip an election, in some states.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Offline
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          #4

          I did not consider my vote for Johnson/Weld in 2016 wasted, nor my vote for John Anderson in 1980. I honestly believed they were the best qualified candidates. I do not feel the same way about Jo Jorgenson, nor do I think her running mate is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, so I am left with one of the major party candidates.

          But I will never consider a third party vote wasted.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • Catseye3C Offline
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            Catseye3
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            👍

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              In our system, unless a third party candidate has overwhelming support (i.e. Bernie Sanders in recent times), almost any election featuring a third party candidate, is a siphon of votes for one of the two major party candidates.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • Catseye3C Offline
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                Gotta walk before you can run. To get to a point that a third party can make a difference, they've got to start out small. The effect is cumulative. As more people see 5% grow to 8%, more people will join in.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • MikM Offline
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                  I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #10

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      His perspective may be slightly different.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • MikM Mik

                        I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

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                        @Mik said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

                        The Tea Party was mostly a subset of the GOP.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          To a degree, but they were NOT the rank and file.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                            My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                            His perspective may be slightly different.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                            My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                            His perspective may be slightly different.

                            As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                              My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                              His perspective may be slightly different.

                              As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                              I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans.

                              "If you're screaming 'THIS is what a police state looks like' in a public place, you have no idea what a police state looks like."

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  On the ballot in all 50...

                                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/libertarian-nominee-jo-jorgensen-wants-presidential-debate-stage/5927069002/

                                  Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

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                                  @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                                  Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

                                  In Virginia, Biden will win the state. So for me it’s a protest for a 3rd party to get more votes even though they obviously won’t win. I’d never vote for Biden, and I refuse to support Trump on moral grounds, so...either I don’t vote, or I vote for Jo. Either way, the result of Biden winning Virginia is the same, except in this case the libertarian will see one more vote.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    I was either going to write in somebody or vote libertarian had Bernie won. But again, in NY it’s a bit of a non-issue.

                                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                    • HoraceH Online
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                                      Horace
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                                      Votes are easy if they don't matter, but the messaging power of being able to honestly say that you voted for someone. Votes become hard if you have to make a difficult choice.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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