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Wasting Your Vote

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  • MikM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #4

    I did not consider my vote for Johnson/Weld in 2016 wasted, nor my vote for John Anderson in 1980. I honestly believed they were the best qualified candidates. I do not feel the same way about Jo Jorgenson, nor do I think her running mate is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, so I am left with one of the major party candidates.

    But I will never consider a third party vote wasted.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • Catseye3C Offline
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      #5

      👍

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        In our system, unless a third party candidate has overwhelming support (i.e. Bernie Sanders in recent times), almost any election featuring a third party candidate, is a siphon of votes for one of the two major party candidates.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Gotta walk before you can run. To get to a point that a third party can make a difference, they've got to start out small. The effect is cumulative. As more people see 5% grow to 8%, more people will join in.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • MikM Offline
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            I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              #9

              My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                JollyJ Offline
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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                His perspective may be slightly different.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Mik

                  I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

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                  @Mik said in Wasting Your Vote:

                  I think third parties need to start out more local/state than national. That's what the Tea Party did and now they are well represented in Congress.

                  The Tea Party was mostly a subset of the GOP.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #12

                    To a degree, but they were NOT the rank and file.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      His perspective may be slightly different.

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                      #13

                      @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                      My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                      His perspective may be slightly different.

                      As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        My Russian friend says that voting for somebody you hate is both a waste of your vote, and a surrender of your soul.

                        His perspective may be slightly different.

                        As an immigrant that came over in the Soviet era, I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans. Not once has he complained about the need to wear a mask.

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                        George K
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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Wasting Your Vote:

                        I would say that he has a much better understanding of what constitutes tyranny than most natural born Americans.

                        "If you're screaming 'THIS is what a police state looks like' in a public place, you have no idea what a police state looks like."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            On the ballot in all 50...

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/libertarian-nominee-jo-jorgensen-wants-presidential-debate-stage/5927069002/

                            Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

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                            @Jolly said in Wasting Your Vote:

                            Now, explain to me why voting third party is not a waste of your vote?

                            In Virginia, Biden will win the state. So for me it’s a protest for a 3rd party to get more votes even though they obviously won’t win. I’d never vote for Biden, and I refuse to support Trump on moral grounds, so...either I don’t vote, or I vote for Jo. Either way, the result of Biden winning Virginia is the same, except in this case the libertarian will see one more vote.

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                              I was either going to write in somebody or vote libertarian had Bernie won. But again, in NY it’s a bit of a non-issue.

                              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                Votes are easy if they don't matter, but the messaging power of being able to honestly say that you voted for someone. Votes become hard if you have to make a difficult choice.

                                Education is extremely important.

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