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    Axtremus
    wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 22:32 last edited by
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    @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
    "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

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      Copper
      wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 22:34 last edited by
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      OK, so we are informed.

      Now let's lock up the sources.

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        28 Sept 2020, 22:32

        @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

        I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
        "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

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        George K
        wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 22:34 last edited by
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        @Axtremus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

        @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

        I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
        "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

        Give it 3 months. It'll all come out who they are. The only way for two or more people to keep a secret like this is for only one of them to be alive.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 22:38 last edited by
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          I'm a bit curious if the legality depends on the source.

          Obviously it's illegal for an IRS employee to leak them. But is it an actual crime if, say, the secretary at the accounting firm does? I could imagine that going either way. Obviously they'd face professional and civil repercussions.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 00:20 last edited by
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            They need to go to jail.

            Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              29 Sept 2020, 00:20

              They need to go to jail.

              Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

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              xenon
              wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 00:35 last edited by
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              @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              They need to go to jail.

              Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

              The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

              That said - once the info is out, it's out.

              I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

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                29 Sept 2020, 00:35

                @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                They need to go to jail.

                Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 00:36 last edited by
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                @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                They need to go to jail.

                Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                Yep, once it's out, it's out.

                Somebody needs to go to jail.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  29 Sept 2020, 00:35

                  @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  They need to go to jail.

                  Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                  The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                  That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                  I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 00:58 last edited by
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                  @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  They need to go to jail.

                  Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                  The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                  That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                  That’s what this year taught me.

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                  • J Jolly
                    29 Sept 2020, 00:36

                    @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    They need to go to jail.

                    Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                    The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                    That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                    I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                    Yep, once it's out, it's out.

                    Somebody needs to go to jail.

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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 01:15 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    Somebody needs to go to jail.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 01:24 last edited by Jolly
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                      You mean the gal that hung out with the dope dealer?

                      She can't go to jail...Well, maybe if you dug up her corpse...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        28 Sept 2020, 02:03

                        Personally guaranteed debt of $400MM due 2022, plus a disputed 72MM with the IRS.

                        I wonder who he owes that 400 million to?

                        That could bankrupt him personally.

                        Seems like a potential national security issue.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 01:27 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                        Personally guaranteed debt of $400MM due 2022, plus a disputed 72MM with the IRS.

                        I wonder who he owes that 400 million to?

                        That could bankrupt him personally.

                        Seems like a potential national security issue.

                        Speaker Pelosi is picking this up:

                        Trump taxes are 'national security' issue, Nancy Pelosi says
                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54332956

                        Speaking on NBC, Ms Pelosi said the report showed that "this president appears to have over $400m in debt".
                        "To whom? Different countries? What is the leverage they have?" she asked, adding: "So for me, this is a national security question."

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                        • A Aqua Letifer
                          28 Sept 2020, 19:03

                          Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

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                          89th
                          wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 02:05 last edited by 89th
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                          @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                          1. Trump Steaks

                          2. GoTrump

                          3. Trump Airlines

                          4. Trump Vodka

                          5. Trump Mortgage

                          6. Trump: The Game

                          7. Trump Magazine

                          8. Trump University

                          9. Trump Ice

                          10. The New Jersey Generals

                          11. Tour de Trump

                          12. Trump Network

                          13. Trumped!

                          14. Trump Taj Mahal

                          15. Trump’s Castle

                          16. Trump Plaza Casinos

                          17. Trump Plaza Hotel

                          18. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts

                          19. Trump Entertainment Resorts

                          ....wanna guess what these all have in common, besides having the name Trump in them?

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 02:25 last edited by
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                            It confirms what we’ve always known - he’s a shit businessman and a first rate self-promoter. The Apprentice kept him afloat and gave him a platform from which advanced to the presidency.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 03:17 last edited by
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                              Krugman picked up on Trump’s debt problem as well:

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/opinion/trump-taxes-debt.html

                              The most important revelation from the Times report, however, is its confirmation of another thing many observers already suspected: Trump has hundreds of millions in personal debt. It’s unclear whether he has the resources to repay it.

                              Personal financial trouble has always been a red flag when it comes to filling sensitive government positions, because it’s an open invitation to corruption.

                              So the confirmation that the nation’s chief law enforcement and national security official — whose business empire already offers many opportunities for undue influence — is drowning in debt is chilling.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 03:20 last edited by
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                                Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • J Jolly
                                  29 Sept 2020, 03:20

                                  Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                  Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 03:38 last edited by
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                                  @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                  Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                  Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                  Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

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                                    29 Sept 2020, 03:38

                                    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                    Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                    Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 03:47 last edited by
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                                    @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                    Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                    Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

                                    I dunno, maybe that works for you. But notice which threads take off around here...They ain't about Biden. And that's the case in other places I frequent and some I check occasionally.

                                    Most conversations are Trump-centric.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      29 Sept 2020, 03:47

                                      @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                      Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                      Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

                                      I dunno, maybe that works for you. But notice which threads take off around here...They ain't about Biden. And that's the case in other places I frequent and some I check occasionally.

                                      Most conversations are Trump-centric.

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                                      xenon
                                      wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 03:48 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                      Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                      Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

                                      I dunno, maybe that works for you. But notice which threads take off around here...They ain't about Biden. And that's the case in other places I frequent and some I check occasionally.

                                      Most conversations are Trump-centric.

                                      Biden is boring incarnate.

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 04:32 last edited by
                                        #77

                                        There's always a relevant Trump tweet:

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 29 Sept 2020, 04:43 last edited by
                                          #78

                                          How, pray tell, did a shit businessman manage to get himself elected president?

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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