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  • LarryL Larry

    @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    I looked it up - just the golf courses alone generated 1.9 billion dollars in profit during his first 3 years in office.

    Nonsense.

    I stand corrected. The figure is for all his businesses, and it was gross, not net. Still, that's far from being broke, and everything else I said still stands.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/11/trumps-businesses-raked-in-19-billion-of-revenue-during-his-first-three-years-in-office/

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    jon-nyc
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    #56

    @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    I looked it up - just the golf courses alone generated 1.9 billion dollars in profit during his first 3 years in office.

    Nonsense.

    I stand corrected. The figure is for all his businesses, and it was gross, not net. Still, that's far from being broke, and everything else I said still stands.

    Nope they have the returns for the whole Trump organization, not just his personal returns. In fact, they're missing 2018 and 2019 of his personal returns.

    The Forbes piece was just estimates.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      LuFins Dad
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      And the NYT figures are “We promise! Trust us!” numbers without context or supporting docs...

      The Brad

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        jon-nyc
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        #58

        I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

          I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
          "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

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            Copper
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            OK, so we are informed.

            Now let's lock up the sources.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
              "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

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              George K
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              @Axtremus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
              "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

              Give it 3 months. It'll all come out who they are. The only way for two or more people to keep a secret like this is for only one of them to be alive.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                jon-nyc
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                I'm a bit curious if the legality depends on the source.

                Obviously it's illegal for an IRS employee to leak them. But is it an actual crime if, say, the secretary at the accounting firm does? I could imagine that going either way. Obviously they'd face professional and civil repercussions.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  They need to go to jail.

                  Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    They need to go to jail.

                    Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

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                    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    They need to go to jail.

                    Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                    The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                    That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                    I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

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                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                      They need to go to jail.

                      Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                      The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                      That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                      I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

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                      Jolly
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                      @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                      They need to go to jail.

                      Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                      The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                      That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                      I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                      Yep, once it's out, it's out.

                      Somebody needs to go to jail.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                        They need to go to jail.

                        Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                        The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                        That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                        I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

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                        @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                        @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                        They need to go to jail.

                        Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                        The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                        That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                        That’s what this year taught me.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          They need to go to jail.

                          Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                          The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                          That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                          I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                          Yep, once it's out, it's out.

                          Somebody needs to go to jail.

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                          Axtremus
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                          @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          Somebody needs to go to jail.

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                            Jolly
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                            #68

                            You mean the gal that hung out with the dope dealer?

                            She can't go to jail...Well, maybe if you dug up her corpse...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Personally guaranteed debt of $400MM due 2022, plus a disputed 72MM with the IRS.

                              I wonder who he owes that 400 million to?

                              That could bankrupt him personally.

                              Seems like a potential national security issue.

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                              @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                              Personally guaranteed debt of $400MM due 2022, plus a disputed 72MM with the IRS.

                              I wonder who he owes that 400 million to?

                              That could bankrupt him personally.

                              Seems like a potential national security issue.

                              Speaker Pelosi is picking this up:

                              Trump taxes are 'national security' issue, Nancy Pelosi says
                              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54332956

                              Speaking on NBC, Ms Pelosi said the report showed that "this president appears to have over $400m in debt".
                              "To whom? Different countries? What is the leverage they have?" she asked, adding: "So for me, this is a national security question."

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                1. Trump Steaks

                                2. GoTrump

                                3. Trump Airlines

                                4. Trump Vodka

                                5. Trump Mortgage

                                6. Trump: The Game

                                7. Trump Magazine

                                8. Trump University

                                9. Trump Ice

                                10. The New Jersey Generals

                                11. Tour de Trump

                                12. Trump Network

                                13. Trumped!

                                14. Trump Taj Mahal

                                15. Trump’s Castle

                                16. Trump Plaza Casinos

                                17. Trump Plaza Hotel

                                18. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts

                                19. Trump Entertainment Resorts

                                ....wanna guess what these all have in common, besides having the name Trump in them?

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  It confirms what we’ve always known - he’s a shit businessman and a first rate self-promoter. The Apprentice kept him afloat and gave him a platform from which advanced to the presidency.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Axtremus
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                                    Krugman picked up on Trump’s debt problem as well:

                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/opinion/trump-taxes-debt.html

                                    The most important revelation from the Times report, however, is its confirmation of another thing many observers already suspected: Trump has hundreds of millions in personal debt. It’s unclear whether he has the resources to repay it.

                                    Personal financial trouble has always been a red flag when it comes to filling sensitive government positions, because it’s an open invitation to corruption.

                                    So the confirmation that the nation’s chief law enforcement and national security official — whose business empire already offers many opportunities for undue influence — is drowning in debt is chilling.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                      Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                        Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

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                                        xenon
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                                        @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                        Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                        Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                        Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

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                                        • X xenon

                                          @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                          Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                          Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                          Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

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                                          Jolly
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                                          @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                          @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                          Being a Republican, I generally do not vote multiple times, like some Demonrats. This year, I may make an exception...It's too much fun watching y'all screaming in the aisles at least once a week.

                                          Re-elect Donald J. Trump!

                                          Meh - he bothers me less than he used to for some reason. He’s an entertaining buffoon if nothing else.

                                          I dunno, maybe that works for you. But notice which threads take off around here...They ain't about Biden. And that's the case in other places I frequent and some I check occasionally.

                                          Most conversations are Trump-centric.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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