The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.
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wrote on 16 May 2025, 16:18 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 16 May 2025, 16:22 last edited by
I haven't read enough of it to see what the bones of contention are.
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wrote on 16 May 2025, 16:55 last edited by jon-nyc
House GOP has a half dozen or so folks that won’t support significant Medicaid cuts (eg Valdao in Bakersfield with 25% of his district on Medicaid, Lawler and Van Drew around here) and a half dozen or so folks that won’t vote for a bill that doesn’t have a lot of cuts (Roy, etc).
Johnson seems to have moved toward the moderates on this one over the last few weeks, not least because he knows the senate will take the cuts out and so guys like Valadao and Lawler would be taking performative votes that could haunt them in 26.
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wrote on 16 May 2025, 16:58 last edited by jon-nyc
It’s worth remembering that the GOP has a smaller majority in the house than any majority party since 1932.
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wrote on 16 May 2025, 17:55 last edited by
Medicaid already pays providers pretty much nothing. Not sure where they could cut. All they could do without a revolution is to change the nature of the program to block grants, which I think are already part of it. We're never going to get out of the hole without cuts AND tax increases.
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wrote on 17 May 2025, 05:33 last edited by
US gets its debt downgraded.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/
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wrote on 18 May 2025, 18:25 last edited by
Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
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Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
wrote on 18 May 2025, 20:51 last edited by@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
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@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
wrote on 18 May 2025, 20:54 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
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@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
wrote on 18 May 2025, 21:01 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.
wrote on 18 May 2025, 21:44 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.
Good point. I actually believe she would be napping the afternoons away after her three Bloody Mary breakfasts and her handlers would be instituting the tariffs.
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wrote on 18 May 2025, 22:58 last edited by
The last downgrade was during the Obama administration
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wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:08 last edited by
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wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:38 last edited by
Even in the minor details she is lying. "The economic council (of whatever) said this will save $1.6 trillion. That's the most ever... The next bill that has come close is $800 billion, which is less than half that of $1.6 trillion"
No, it is not less than half. It is exactly half.
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wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:39 last edited by
Even her lies are lies.
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wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:41 last edited by
Hahaha well said.
BTW for anyone keeping score, the estimate is this bill will, over the next 10 years, add between $3.8 to $5.3 trillion to the deficit.
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wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:43 last edited by
Oh and the "Council of Economic Advisers"... not a 3rd party independent audit firm. It's a group of people Trump hired over the last few months to basically nod their heads to him.
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wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:48 last edited by
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wrote on 20 May 2025, 00:23 last edited by jon-nyc
"This tax bill's enormity is being underplayed," Manhattan Institute's Jessica Riedl says. "This tax bill will cost more than the 2017 tax cuts, the CARES Act, Biden's stimulus, and the Inflation Reduction Act combined.