The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.
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As budget gimmicks go, I don’t think this has ever been topped.
Senate Republicans are simultaneously using current policy scoring to pretend $3.8 trillion in tax cuts are free - and using current law scoring to get away with having temporary tax cuts appear $1.5 trillion cheaper.
@jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
As budget gimmicks go, I don’t think this has ever been topped.
Senate Republicans are simultaneously using current policy scoring to pretend $3.8 trillion in tax cuts are free - and using current law scoring to get away with having temporary tax cuts appear $1.5 trillion cheaper.
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That will be interesting. As Musk said previously something like:
" President Trump will be around for three more years. Me (and my money) will be around for 30 more years."
How much influence will President Trump have after he is finished with the president? At least at the beginning, quite a bit. Obviously, a lot depends on how the next three years go. But, he will always have the strong support of ~30% of the population, no matter what he does or what happens. And those are the type of people who vote in the primary.
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@jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.
Of all the people who end with "...if it's the last thing I do on this Earth", he's the closest to actually building a place somewhere else in space to go.
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I have no idea either way. But it seems pretty clear that whether China or the US ‘wins’ AI matters a lot, and electricity figures large in that.
We should be ‘all of the above’ x 100 rather than taxing modern “gay” energy while subsidizing 19th century “manly” energy.
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Shhhh!
President Trump said it was okay to vote for this.
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A new absurdity in the bill:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/upshot/republicans-food-aid-alaska.html
It goes like this:
- the intent was originally was to make the states that have higher error rates when it comes to administering the food stamp programs pay more -- supposedly this is to encourage states to "have skin in the game" to lower error rates when administering the food stamp programs.
- But to get Murkowski's vote, with Murkowski representing the state with the highest food stamp administration error rate, the Senate bill ended up adding a provision that exempts states whose food stamp error rates exceeding certain threshold from having to pay anything at all (at least for a while).
- so if the Senate bill ended comes to pass, the states with high error rates will be exempt from paying for the food stamps (at least for a while), while states with low-enough food error rates will have to pay something.
- in effect, this may end up incentivizing states to jack up their food stamp administration error rates (at least for a while) to avoid having to pay anything towards the their food stamp programs.
The modern GOP really sucks at governing.
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Hakeem Jeffries - “The bill will unleash a deportation machine on steroids”
“An all out assault on the care provided by Planned Parenthood”
Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.
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Hakeem Jeffries - “The bill will unleash a deportation machine on steroids”
“An all out assault on the care provided by Planned Parenthood”
Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.
@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.
You trying to admit that you are gullible?
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Personally, I can’t stand this stack of crap that is being pushed in this bill, but the extension of the tax cuts? This is a sword of Damocles thing. We’re basically effed either way, with the only real small but possible solution being growing our way out of the current hole we are in. I don’t see raising taxes to be an effective method to stimulate growth. And while I have moral and ethical problems with the removal of taxes on tip wages and overtime, the practical effect is negligible, and I have always had an issue with taxing SS income.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.
You trying to admit that you are gullible?
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.
You trying to admit that you are gullible?
I’m trying to say that the biggest allies to DJT and MAGA are his opponents. What a sad and miserable lot.
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So you may have heard Hakim Jeffries broke the record and spoke for 8hrs and 45m to delay voting on the bill.
I was curious so I looked up who had the record he broke. It was Kevin McCarthy, who also as minority leader delayed a vote on a big Biden bill in 2021.
He spoke 8hrs and 32m, to break the previous record before that. I was curious who held that previous record so I looked it up.
It was Nancy Pelosi, who spoke for 8hrs and 7m in 2018 delaying a vote on a Trump bill.
So apparently this is a thing now. Future minority leaders should be careful to only break the previous record by a minute or so to prevent later future minority leaders from having to pull a Corey Booker. You know, pay it forward.
