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The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      That will be interesting. As Musk said previously something like:

      " President Trump will be around for three more years. Me (and my money) will be around for 30 more years."

      How much influence will President Trump have after he is finished with the president? At least at the beginning, quite a bit. Obviously, a lot depends on how the next three years go. But, he will always have the strong support of ~30% of the population, no matter what he does or what happens. And those are the type of people who vote in the primary.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        Trump not happy.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.

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          @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.

          Of all the people who end with "...if it's the last thing I do on this Earth", he's the closest to actually building a place somewhere else in space to go.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I have no idea either way. But it seems pretty clear that whether China or the US ‘wins’ AI matters a lot, and electricity figures large in that.

            We should be ‘all of the above’ x 100 rather than taxing modern “gay” energy while subsidizing 19th century “manly” energy.

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            @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            We should be ‘all of the above’ x 100 rather than taxing modern “gay” energy while subsidizing 19th century “manly” energy.

            From the co-author of Abundance

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              #102

              Senate passed it.

              Now the fun goes back to the house.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                In today's GOP, a "fiscal conservative" is someone who expresses "serious deficit concerns" about a $5 trillion bill before ultimately voting for it.

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                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    Shhhh!

                    President Trump said it was okay to vote for this.

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                    • X Offline
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                      Yeah - the GOP is now pretty firmly... something else.

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                      • AxtremusA Away
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                        A new absurdity in the bill:

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/upshot/republicans-food-aid-alaska.html

                        It goes like this:

                        • the intent was originally was to make the states that have higher error rates when it comes to administering the food stamp programs pay more -- supposedly this is to encourage states to "have skin in the game" to lower error rates when administering the food stamp programs.
                        • But to get Murkowski's vote, with Murkowski representing the state with the highest food stamp administration error rate, the Senate bill ended up adding a provision that exempts states whose food stamp error rates exceeding certain threshold from having to pay anything at all (at least for a while).
                        • so if the Senate bill ended comes to pass, the states with high error rates will be exempt from paying for the food stamps (at least for a while), while states with low-enough food error rates will have to pay something.
                        • in effect, this may end up incentivizing states to jack up their food stamp administration error rates (at least for a while) to avoid having to pay anything towards the their food stamp programs.

                        The modern GOP really sucks at governing.

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                          Hakeem Jeffries - “The bill will unleash a deportation machine on steroids”

                          “An all out assault on the care provided by Planned Parenthood”

                          Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.

                          The Brad

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                            Hakeem Jeffries - “The bill will unleash a deportation machine on steroids”

                            “An all out assault on the care provided by Planned Parenthood”

                            Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.

                            AxtremusA Away
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                            Axtremus
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                            Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.

                            You trying to admit that you are gullible?

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                              Personally, I can’t stand this stack of crap that is being pushed in this bill, but the extension of the tax cuts? This is a sword of Damocles thing. We’re basically effed either way, with the only real small but possible solution being growing our way out of the current hole we are in. I don’t see raising taxes to be an effective method to stimulate growth. And while I have moral and ethical problems with the removal of taxes on tip wages and overtime, the practical effect is negligible, and I have always had an issue with taxing SS income.

                              The Brad

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                                Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.

                                You trying to admit that you are gullible?

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                                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                                Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.

                                You trying to admit that you are gullible?

                                I’m trying to say that the biggest allies to DJT and MAGA are his opponents. What a sad and miserable lot.

                                The Brad

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                                  I wonder what time the house held its procedural vote?

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                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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