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The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.

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    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        #91

        "Even a small fluctuation in power causes AI training to fail"?

        I am skeptical of that claim.

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          I have no idea either way. But it seems pretty clear that whether China or the US ‘wins’ AI matters a lot, and electricity figures large in that.

          We should be ‘all of the above’ x 100 rather than taxing modern “gay” energy while subsidizing 19th century “manly” energy.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              As budget gimmicks go, I don’t think this has ever been topped.

              Senate Republicans are simultaneously using current policy scoring to pretend $3.8 trillion in tax cuts are free - and using current law scoring to get away with having temporary tax cuts appear $1.5 trillion cheaper.

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                Kind of stupid to have the Democrat force the reading of the bill word by word. 16 hours. LOL

                Not sure what they were trying to accomplish.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  As budget gimmicks go, I don’t think this has ever been topped.

                  Senate Republicans are simultaneously using current policy scoring to pretend $3.8 trillion in tax cuts are free - and using current law scoring to get away with having temporary tax cuts appear $1.5 trillion cheaper.

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                  @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                  As budget gimmicks go, I don’t think this has ever been topped.

                  Senate Republicans are simultaneously using current policy scoring to pretend $3.8 trillion in tax cuts are free - and using current law scoring to get away with having temporary tax cuts appear $1.5 trillion cheaper.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      That will be interesting. As Musk said previously something like:

                      " President Trump will be around for three more years. Me (and my money) will be around for 30 more years."

                      How much influence will President Trump have after he is finished with the president? At least at the beginning, quite a bit. Obviously, a lot depends on how the next three years go. But, he will always have the strong support of ~30% of the population, no matter what he does or what happens. And those are the type of people who vote in the primary.

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                        Trump not happy.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.

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                          @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                          Elon threatens to find a primary challenge to every republican who votes for this bill.

                          Of all the people who end with "...if it's the last thing I do on this Earth", he's the closest to actually building a place somewhere else in space to go.

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                            I have no idea either way. But it seems pretty clear that whether China or the US ‘wins’ AI matters a lot, and electricity figures large in that.

                            We should be ‘all of the above’ x 100 rather than taxing modern “gay” energy while subsidizing 19th century “manly” energy.

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                            @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                            We should be ‘all of the above’ x 100 rather than taxing modern “gay” energy while subsidizing 19th century “manly” energy.

                            From the co-author of Abundance

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              #102

                              Senate passed it.

                              Now the fun goes back to the house.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                In today's GOP, a "fiscal conservative" is someone who expresses "serious deficit concerns" about a $5 trillion bill before ultimately voting for it.

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                                    Shhhh!

                                    President Trump said it was okay to vote for this.

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                                      Yeah - the GOP is now pretty firmly... something else.

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                                        A new absurdity in the bill:

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/upshot/republicans-food-aid-alaska.html

                                        It goes like this:

                                        • the intent was originally was to make the states that have higher error rates when it comes to administering the food stamp programs pay more -- supposedly this is to encourage states to "have skin in the game" to lower error rates when administering the food stamp programs.
                                        • But to get Murkowski's vote, with Murkowski representing the state with the highest food stamp administration error rate, the Senate bill ended up adding a provision that exempts states whose food stamp error rates exceeding certain threshold from having to pay anything at all (at least for a while).
                                        • so if the Senate bill ended comes to pass, the states with high error rates will be exempt from paying for the food stamps (at least for a while), while states with low-enough food error rates will have to pay something.
                                        • in effect, this may end up incentivizing states to jack up their food stamp administration error rates (at least for a while) to avoid having to pay anything towards the their food stamp programs.

                                        The modern GOP really sucks at governing.

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                                          Hakeem Jeffries - “The bill will unleash a deportation machine on steroids”

                                          “An all out assault on the care provided by Planned Parenthood”

                                          Hakeem is making me reconsider my opposition to this bill.

                                          The Brad

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