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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    Stand down folks, it’s a two week ceasefire with conditions….

    Story unfolding.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    #1112

    @Renauda said:

    Stand down folks, it’s a two week ceasefire with conditions….

    Story unfolding.

    Pass the tacos.

    I was only joking

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      Renauda
      wrote last edited by Renauda
      #1113

      Indeed. All it seems to have accomplished diplomatically is turn the clock back to 27 February.

      What the war has accomplished is to turn the economies of the Persian Gulf on their head and sow more Trump induced economic chaos globally.

      Will be interesting to see in the upcoming days as to whether “open the Straits to safe and unfettered passage” has the same meaning in Farsi as it does in Trumpian English dialect.

      Elbows up!

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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        @jon-nyc said:

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        Destroying a whole civilization.
        Is that, like, genocidal?

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @Renauda said:

          Stand down folks, it’s a two week ceasefire with conditions….

          Story unfolding.

          Pass the tacos.

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          jon-nyc
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          #1115

          @Doctor-Phibes said:

          @Renauda said:

          Stand down folks, it’s a two week ceasefire with conditions….

          Story unfolding.

          Pass the tacos.

          It is Tuesday.

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            jon-nyc
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            #1116

            This is being reported as the 10 point plan forming the basis of the ceasefire. Looks like a big L for the US.

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            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              This is being reported as the 10 point plan forming the basis of the ceasefire. Looks like a big L for the US.

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              #1117

              @jon-nyc said:

              This is being reported as the 10 point plan forming the basis of the ceasefire. Looks like a big L for the US.

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              I think Trump’s friend Putin and his Foreign Minister, Lavrov wrote those points for the Iranians.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
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                #1118

                Well, it may be better than targeting infrastructure that serves the population.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  #1119

                  120-140 ships a day traverse the strait per day in peacetime. If Iran gets to charge each of them $2MM, that’s a billion dollars every four days.

                  Makes Obama’s palates of cash look like chump change.

                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    120-140 ships a day traverse the strait per day in peacetime. If Iran gets to charge each of them $2MM, that’s a billion dollars every four days.

                    Makes Obama’s palates of cash look like chump change.

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                    kluurs
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                    #1120

                    @jon-nyc said:

                    120-140 ships a day traverse the strait per day in peacetime. If Iran gets to charge each of them $2MM, that’s a billion dollars every four days.

                    Makes Obama’s palates of cash look like chump change.

                    Both Russia and Iran are making more money from the sale of oil thanks to the great leader’s efforts.

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                      I suppose there’s still the possibility that the deal improves but it’s hard to imagine Iran making major concessions post ceasefire that it wasn’t willing to make with bombs raining down.

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                        #1122

                        An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

                        https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • MikM Mik

                          An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

                          https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                          #1123

                          @Mik

                          Westad’s book on the Cold War is one of the best I have ever read - and I have read at least a dozen or more on the subject over the years.

                          This latest one on imperial overreach is now added to my running list of must reads.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by
                            #1124

                            It's fascinating to see how events in history are linked and caused by prior events, and to examine the similarities.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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                              • B blondie

                                I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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                                Renauda
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                                #1126

                                @blondie said:

                                I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

                                You’re not alone. It is an international waterway open for all commercial traffic. No one state along its shoreline can claim control or exact a toll. Iran’s present claim is groundless and contrary to maritime law. It alone could bring this ceasefire to an abrupt and violent end at the blink of an eye.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  What an odd situation. Hard to imagine Iran will just stop fighting. They had another country bomb the crap out of them and kill many of their leaders. But maybe they’ll just be fine with making extra money off of maritime traffic.

                                  Would be the first time Trump has ever lost. Aside from every business and political venture he’s been apart of.

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                                    #1128

                                    Wasn't that Iran's proposal? Can't imagine that will stand. They don't own international waters.

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                                      #1129

                                      Exactly. And if they were to try to enforce it, that alone would amount to a justifiable casus belli.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote last edited by Mik
                                        #1130

                                        Maybe Europe is encouraging that for an excuse to appease Trump and get involved.

                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                          #1131

                                          Trump floats the idea of the US and Iran forming a ‘joint venture’ to collect the tolls together.

                                          “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture,” the president told Karl, who shared Trump’s response on the social platform X. “It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people. It’s a beautiful thing.”

                                          https://thehill.com/policy/international/5821343-trump-us-iran-ceasefire-deal-joint-venture-strait-of-hormuz/

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