Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?
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@xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?
And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?
Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.
wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 00:44 last edited by@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.
2011 sequestration
~1990 Troop drawdown and base closures.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 00:59 last edited by
@jolly. I dont think that anyone here would disagree that there is a lot of waste in government. But it is like @xenon said, this appears to be a very amateur way. They dont seem to have any plan, anyway to "quantify" the data, etc. From the articles, it makes them look laughable.
They are going in to a house to kill a mosquito and using a sledgehammer to TRY and do so.
Sure, a person could walk into my organization (or yours) and fire 90% of the staff and claim victory!!! Kind of like "winning the battle, but losing the war."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/us/politics/doge-musk-contracts-wall.html
Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency has deleted hundreds more claims from its mistake-plagued “wall of receipts,” erasing $4 billion in additional savings that the group said it had made for U.S. taxpayers.
Late Sunday night, the group erased or altered more than 1,000 contracts it had claimed to cancel, representing more than 40 percent of all the contracts listed on its site last week. The deleted items included five of the seven largest savings that it had claimed credit for just last week. At the same time, the group added about 1,000 additional canceled contracts, worth smaller total savings.
It was the second time in a week that DOGE had deleted some of its greatest claims of success. Early last week, it erased all five of the largest savings it had claimed when the wall of receipts, which is what the group is calling its list of canceled contracts, was originally posted on Feb. 19.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 01:56 last edited by
Ok.
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Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?
And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?
wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 03:16 last edited by@xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?
And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?
Yup coupon clipping while buying ferraris
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wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 20:11 last edited by jon-nyc 7 days ago
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wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 21:05 last edited by
Good, sell 'em all.
I'm sure the dems will eventually buy them all back at twice the price.
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wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 21:58 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
Yet more amateur hour.
Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.
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wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 23:56 last edited by
lol
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wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 19:44 last edited by
Federal outlays grew 7% in February compared to last year and the deficit grew 5%.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 00:33 last edited by
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 02:27 last edited by
Pretty much anytime Trump says a number, divide it by a number from 3 to 8.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 13:45 last edited by jon-nyc
Surely this is willful. He knows he lying by now.
Elon Musk: "Government waste and fraud is so high that it's causing a $2 trillion annual deficit. So that's 2,000 billion dollars of waste -- waste and fraud -- that's happening.
Surely he knows the deficit is caused mainly by funding things Americans want (SSA, health care, defense) without collecting enough taxes to pay for it. If he hasn’t figured that out yet, god help us.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:02 last edited by
Well, hot damn and hallelujah!!
I want all kinds of stuff I can't pay for! Now I know I can spend money I don't have and buy whatever I want.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:02 last edited by
And why would you ‘know’ that?
Seems like a huge non sequitur.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:05 last edited by
No, it's just common sense.
One shouldn't spend money A) you don't have, and B) you cannot pay back.
No matter how badly you want ______.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:07 last edited by jon-nyc
That is common sense.
But I still don’t understand your post as a response to mine. In what sense was I implying otherwise? Just because I called Elon out for his obvious lie doesn’t mean I think the current trajectory is sustainable. The world contains expenditures that are neither fraudulent, wasteful, or affordable.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:13 last edited by
Because Elon is right. We're $2T in the hole. That's abuse, pure and simple. We're digging a hole where debt payment is going to swallow a massive portion of the budget and truly needed programs will be curtailed or ended.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:35 last edited by
He didn’t say ‘we have a 2T deficit’. That would have been a factual albeit banal observation. He said we have 2T of waste and fraud. He knows otherwise.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 18:20 last edited by
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.
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If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.
wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 18:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.