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Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?

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    xenon
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    Yeah - you undercut yourself by doing this in such a clearly amateur way.

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      jon-nyc
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      #12

      It’s not clear that his fan base realizes how shit his data and narratives have been. I doubt maga media corrects them much.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        Jolly
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        #13

        And I doubt your left-wing sources do nothing but undercut the effort.

        Ain't it wonderful?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          jon-nyc
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          #14

          But I don’t limit myself to those. Not so sure that’s the case with your average Trumpist.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • 89th8 89th

            What exactly is being attempted? As we've mentioned, nearly all of the "waste" they have found so far actually was already known and addressed.

            I can't read the NYT article but I know there have been glaring and actually embarrassing mistakes such as:

            • They counted the same contract 3 times (not realizing how gov contracts work, apparently), I think part of the "top 5 that mysteriously disappeared" mentioned above
            • They said it was 8 billion cut from ICE, when it was 8 million... silly typo
            • They included something that was canceled in 2005 (!!!) because they didn't bother to quality-check the tweet that was forwarded to them
            • As mentioned above, they included 1.9 billion that was canceled by Biden

            The last audit I read was of the $65 billion they have claimed, only a few million have actually been verified. That's like... a 99% inaccuracy rate.

            I am 100% for detecting fraud, waste, and abuse, who isn't? But the constant exaggerations and misstatements from DOGE is really hurting their credibility. Just yesterday I told my kids the Crying Wolf story, maybe I should invite DOGE for the next story time.

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            Jolly
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            @89th said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

            What exactly is being attempted?

            To cut the size and cost of a government that the American people can no longer afford.

            Of course, that is not the purpose of this thread. What is being attempted in this thread, is an attempt to pick apart the biggest effort to cut government spending in 40 years.

            Not that it matters, I guess.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              xenon
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              #16

              Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

              And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

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              • X xenon

                Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

                And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

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                Jolly
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                @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

                And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

                Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I really don't care if initial mistakes are made, as long as we can monitor and correct.

                  This needs doing. Badly.

                  If we line up ten people against the wall, with eight guilty and two innocent, I don't mind shooting the innocent.

                  This is that important.

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                  @Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                  If we line up ten people against the wall, with eight guilty and two innocent, I don't mind shooting the innocent.

                  This is that important.

                  Nah, you just like shooting.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                    Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

                    And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

                    Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #19

                    @Jolly

                    You’re missing his point. It’s not happening in a vacuum. It’s happening at the same time the GOP is planning on another 19T of debt in the next decade. (20T according to Massie).

                    That’s more than half again of the 36T we have on the books.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                      Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

                      And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

                      Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

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                      jon-nyc
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                      @Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                      Ok, name me one other budget reformation that cut more employees and money than the nascent DOGE effort.

                      2011 sequestration

                      ~1990 Troop drawdown and base closures.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        @jolly. I dont think that anyone here would disagree that there is a lot of waste in government. But it is like @xenon said, this appears to be a very amateur way. They dont seem to have any plan, anyway to "quantify" the data, etc. From the articles, it makes them look laughable.

                        They are going in to a house to kill a mosquito and using a sledgehammer to TRY and do so.

                        Sure, a person could walk into my organization (or yours) and fire 90% of the staff and claim victory!!! Kind of like "winning the battle, but losing the war."

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/us/politics/doge-musk-contracts-wall.html

                        Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency has deleted hundreds more claims from its mistake-plagued “wall of receipts,” erasing $4 billion in additional savings that the group said it had made for U.S. taxpayers.

                        Late Sunday night, the group erased or altered more than 1,000 contracts it had claimed to cancel, representing more than 40 percent of all the contracts listed on its site last week. The deleted items included five of the seven largest savings that it had claimed credit for just last week. At the same time, the group added about 1,000 additional canceled contracts, worth smaller total savings.

                        It was the second time in a week that DOGE had deleted some of its greatest claims of success. Early last week, it erased all five of the largest savings it had claimed when the wall of receipts, which is what the group is calling its list of canceled contracts, was originally posted on Feb. 19.

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                          Jolly
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                          Ok.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • X xenon

                            Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

                            And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

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                            89th
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                            @xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                            Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

                            And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

                            Yup coupon clipping while buying ferraris

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #24

                              Yet more amateur hour.

                              Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                Copper
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                                Good, sell 'em all.

                                I'm sure the dems will eventually buy them all back at twice the price.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Yet more amateur hour.

                                  Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

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                                  89th
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

                                  Yet more amateur hour.

                                  Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #27

                                    lol

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      Federal outlays grew 7% in February compared to last year and the deficit grew 5%.

                                      IMG_3541.png

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        As good a place as any to put this.

                                        https://reason.com/2025/03/05/contrary-to-what-trump-said-even-doge-does-not-claim-to-have-identified-hundreds-of-billions-in-fraud/?utm_campaign=reason_brand&utm_content=&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=image,meme

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                                          Pretty much anytime Trump says a number, divide it by a number from 3 to 8.

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