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  • HoraceH Horace

    Was he just released?

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    George K
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    #206

    @Horace said in Mr. Clemency:

    Was he just released?

    I think he served his sentence and was out already.

    Federal prosecutors initially asked for a 90-day sentence.[1][15] On November 22, 2021, Johnson reached a plea agreement and pleaded guilty in federal court to entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, and prosecutors dismissed his charges of theft of government property and of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.[9] The plea deal also included an agreement on a potential book or "something of that nature" that would be published by Johnson, which gave the government rights to any profit that Johnson acquired as a result of that product for five years.[9] During his trial, judge Reggie Walton recommended he read the books How Civil Wars Start and The Next Civil War.[4] On February 25, 2022, Johnson was sentenced to 75 days in prison with a year of supervised release and 200 hours of community service, and he was ordered to pay a $5,525 fine.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
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      #207

      I think it's fair to say that guy's an imbecile. I'm not convinced he was particularly dangerous.

      I was only joking

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        Jolly
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        #208

        Trump has been consistent in his explanations for Jan 6 pardons.

        1. He feels like many of the penalties were politically motivated and people served and were still serving harsher penalties than other people convicted of much more serious crimes.
        2. That the investigations had dragged on long enough, sapping resources from more urgent needs.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          jon-nyc
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          #209

          That would be an easier sell if the guys who assaulted cops and were already in prison weren’t granted full pardons.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #210

            There were people in Minnesota and Oregon who assaulted cops and didn't spend a day in jail.

            There are murderers in this country who have spent less time in jail than some 1/6 defendants.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              89th
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              #211

              As always, had it been Obama who had lost and his BLM minions had attacked the Capitol and assaulted cops, I'm sure you'd be whistling a different tune if Obama came back and pardoned all of those criminals.

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                Horace
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                #212

                I don't imagine I'd care that much if a bunch of BLM looters were pardoned. I don't care that much that they're never arrested in the first place, though I sort of wish things were different.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #213

                  It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

                  I was only joking

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable. Biden's other pardons/clemencies earlier in this thread... seems normal for most Presidents, not that I agree with most of it.

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                    Rich
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                    #214

                    @89th said in Mr. Clemency:

                    I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.

                    Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)

                    As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually. 🙂

                    Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.

                      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

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                      Horace
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                      #215

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Mr. Clemency:

                      It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.

                      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

                      I read a book on that case. I'm glad he got the pardon.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

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                        Renauda
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                        #216

                        @Doctor-Phibes

                        Yes I read about that too this morning.

                        Either Ulbricht was clearly a hapless victim of a corrupt criminal justice system or, as a noted US diplomat once observed, “in his [Trump’s] mind, the truth is whatever he wants it to be.”

                        Elbows up!

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                          Horace
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                          He set up a dark web marketplace where lots of transactions happened, including drug sales. Ulbricht personally never sold drugs, but profited off of every transaction on the marketplace, including the drugs. Then there was some embarrassing murder for hire stuff where Ulbricht got scammed by fake hit men, who he was indeed trying to hire. I wouldn't have been mad if he'd stayed in jail, but I'm not mad that he got a pardon. I think unequivocally he's no danger to society going forward.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • RichR Rich

                            @89th said in Mr. Clemency:

                            I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.

                            Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)

                            As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually. 🙂

                            Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.

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                            Jolly
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                            #218

                            @Rich said in Mr. Clemency:

                            @89th said in Mr. Clemency:

                            I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.

                            Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)

                            As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually. 🙂

                            Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.

                            Actually, go pull the tapes.

                            Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.

                            He did not pardon anybody preemptively.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #219

                              Tell us you didn’t understand Rich’s post without telling us you didn’t understand Rich’s post.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #220

                                I understood his post. Just adding to it

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @Rich said in Mr. Clemency:

                                  @89th said in Mr. Clemency:

                                  I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.

                                  Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)

                                  As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually. 🙂

                                  Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.

                                  Actually, go pull the tapes.

                                  Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.

                                  He did not pardon anybody preemptively.

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                                  Rich
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #221

                                  @Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

                                  @Rich said in Mr. Clemency:

                                  @89th said in Mr. Clemency:

                                  I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.

                                  Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)

                                  As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually. 🙂

                                  Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.

                                  Actually, go pull the tapes.

                                  Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.

                                  He did not pardon anybody preemptively.

                                  What I'm saying is Trump (unnecessarily) gave Biden political cover for the pardons...even though Trumps past actions don't indicate a predilection towards 'lawfare'.

                                  If Trump had kept his mouth shut--even in the post election time period--Bidens handlers may not have felt the justification to write up these pardons, and we'd have been able to get the investigations he claims to have wanted. Unless, in a sort of 4(or maybe 5 or 6)D chess move--he knew the investigations would fizzle out...So by by threatening prosecution, he tricked the Biden crime family into pardoning themselves--making them look guilty, which would achieve the best effort-to-victory ratio possible under the circumstances.

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #222

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mr. Clemency:

                                    It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

                                    I am kind of two sides to this. Life sentence for setting up Silk Road seems kind of an excess. But, a drug dealer who "traffics" is a large amount of drugs can easily get life in prison and I am guessing that the quantity of drugs that he helped to move was pretty high.

                                    And, he allegedly tried to put a hit contract on 5 (or 6) people who either tried to shut down Silk Road or tried to take it over. I dont think he was prosecuted for that, as he was already in jail for life.

                                    Another interesting rumour about him is that he most likely has hundreds(?) of bit coin hidden and will now access them. The government seized a lot of them when he was arrested, but there is talk that he has LOTS more hidden away.

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                                    • HoraceH Online
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                                      Horace
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                                      #223

                                      Yes I expect that he is fabulously wealthy.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        @Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

                                        At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?

                                        That's mental illness territory.

                                        He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.

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                                        NobodySock
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                                        #224

                                        @Mik said in Mr. Clemency:

                                        @Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

                                        At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?

                                        That's mental illness territory.

                                        He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.

                                        Lol! I had to address the very accusation made to me last night on FB. Will just copy paste here......

                                        yeah , that's it. I condem the man because I may have to return to the office 5 days a week. Oh the horror of it all! A 7 minute drive downtown Monday through Friday is way too much to ask of this lazy inept Federal worker. FYI, I go into the office every Friday for work as per the Union agreement made with my agency. I actually look forward to Fridays as I get out of the house and have a nice lunch downtown somewhere and ride my ebike there and back and enjoy the sunshine. Making all of us return to work in the office full time is a nothing burger for me. I've been doing it for 95 percent of my career. What you may not know in your glee to see federal employees getting slapped around, is the final bill that you and I taxpayers get to pay for rebuilding up the space required for this to happen as there is nowhere near the facility to hold all fed employees back to the "office". Many buildings have already been sold or contracts ended all throughout the USA. Are you ready for that price tag to reaquire the office space? It may even make Elon blink.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:

                                          I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.

                                          Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.

                                          That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.

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                                          NobodySock
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                                          @Horace said in Mr. Clemency:

                                          @AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:

                                          I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.

                                          Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.

                                          That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.

                                          Except when those flaws include Treason. Sorry, you're fired!

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