Mr. Clemency

Doctor Phibes

We're basically arguing about which of the Presidents is less corrupt.

I have to say it's not particularly inspiring.

Jolly

We're basically arguing about which of the Presidents is less corrupt.

I have to say it's not particularly inspiring.

Biden had been a typical Washington pol up to a point, using his influence and knowledge to make money, but I'm not sure he was super corrupt. Then, somewhere around 2014, the Biden Crime Family went into the " make it rain" mode and threw a lot of caution to the winds.

Trump? I don't find Trump inherently corrupt. I feel like one could certainly get screwed in a business deal with Trump or that he would use money and lawyers to steamroll people and institutions to get what he wants, but I wouldn't label that as corrupt.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mr. Clemency:

We're basically arguing about which of the Presidents is less corrupt.

Exactly. "Your criminals are worse than my criminals."

89th

I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable. Biden's other pardons/clemencies earlier in this thread... seems normal for most Presidents, not that I agree with most of it.

Jolly

I don't care for the Biden blanket pardons. Pardons are usually issued for individual (and usually adjudicated) acts.

jon-nyc

@89th said in Mr. Clemency:

I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.

Yep. The anomaly is a presidential candidate who talked about prosecuting his political enemies at every campaign whistle stop, who then chooses a sycophant who as AG who went as far as publishing a book with a list of 60 ‘enemies of the state’.

Doctor Phibes

What I find odd is how many people apparently can't see how fucked up both sides are.

89th

60% of the country is dumb, the other 60% are idiots.

Doctor Phibes

@89th said in Mr. Clemency:

60% of the country is dumb, the other 60% are idiots.

What about the other 20%?

Mik

@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?

That's mental illness territory.

He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.

Jolly

@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:

@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?

That's mental illness territory.

He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.

Thought he was retiring to Spain and buying a $100k piano.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

AndyD

I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.

Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.

Renauda

Trump? I don't find Trump inherently corrupt. I feel like one could certainly get screwed in a business deal with Trump or that he would use money and lawyers to steamroll people and institutions to get what he wants, but I wouldn't label that as corrupt.

You’re probably right, his boundless sense of entitlement exceeds the callous venality of his actions.

Horace

@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:

I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.

Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.

That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.