Mr. Clemency
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 12:37 last edited by
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable. Biden's other pardons/clemencies earlier in this thread... seems normal for most Presidents, not that I agree with most of it.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 12:40 last edited by
I don't care for the Biden blanket pardons. Pardons are usually issued for individual (and usually adjudicated) acts.
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I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable. Biden's other pardons/clemencies earlier in this thread... seems normal for most Presidents, not that I agree with most of it.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 12:42 last edited by jon-nyc@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Yep. The anomaly is a presidential candidate who talked about prosecuting his political enemies at every campaign whistle stop, who then chooses a sycophant who as AG who went as far as publishing a book with a list of 60 ‘enemies of the state’.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 12:44 last edited by
What I find odd is how many people apparently can't see how fucked up both sides are.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 12:54 last edited by
60% of the country is dumb, the other 60% are idiots.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 13:05 last edited by
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
60% of the country is dumb, the other 60% are idiots.
What about the other 20%?
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 13:17 last edited by
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
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@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 13:18 last edited by@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
Thought he was retiring to Spain and buying a $100k piano.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 13:29 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:23 last edited by
I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:24 last edited by Renauda
Trump? I don't find Trump inherently corrupt. I feel like one could certainly get screwed in a business deal with Trump or that he would use money and lawyers to steamroll people and institutions to get what he wants, but I wouldn't label that as corrupt.
You’re probably right, his boundless sense of entitlement exceeds the callous venality of his actions.
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I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:30 last edited by@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:
I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:36 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:57 last edited by
Was he just released?
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:59 last edited by
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mr. Clemency:
@jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:
You gotta help us out here. Who’s the guy on the right?
He's doing the Nazi salute wrong.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 14:59 last edited by
@Horace said in Mr. Clemency:
Was he just released?
I think he served his sentence and was out already.
Federal prosecutors initially asked for a 90-day sentence.[1][15] On November 22, 2021, Johnson reached a plea agreement and pleaded guilty in federal court to entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, and prosecutors dismissed his charges of theft of government property and of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.[9] The plea deal also included an agreement on a potential book or "something of that nature" that would be published by Johnson, which gave the government rights to any profit that Johnson acquired as a result of that product for five years.[9] During his trial, judge Reggie Walton recommended he read the books How Civil Wars Start and The Next Civil War.[4] On February 25, 2022, Johnson was sentenced to 75 days in prison with a year of supervised release and 200 hours of community service, and he was ordered to pay a $5,525 fine.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 15:01 last edited by
I think it's fair to say that guy's an imbecile. I'm not convinced he was particularly dangerous.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 15:07 last edited by
Trump has been consistent in his explanations for Jan 6 pardons.
- He feels like many of the penalties were politically motivated and people served and were still serving harsher penalties than other people convicted of much more serious crimes.
- That the investigations had dragged on long enough, sapping resources from more urgent needs.
