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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #96

    A. I hope trump wins on appeal, although he has to put up a King's ransom to appeal. That doesn't seem right.

    B. I hope that that motor buzzing sound you hear, is businesses leaving New York. I'd like to see their tax revenues down by 20%. At least.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      #97

      I would.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG George K

        @LuFins-Dad , I agree with you. For a (in the judge's words) venial sin (how Catholic is that?), to impose a fine of almost half a billion dollars....

        I think Andy McCarthy said that Trump has a reasonable shot at an 8th amendment appeal.

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        LuFins Dad
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        #98

        @George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

        @LuFins-Dad , I agree with you. For a (in the judge's words) venial sin (how Catholic is that?),

        I see what you did, there…

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

          @jon commented (or was it @kluurs?) that the statute that Trump was found in violation of states that the intent to deceive is the crime, not the deception itself, not the financial loss of anyone.

          Criminal? Misdemeanor? Or Civil? Seems to me that the state really can’t bring Civil. So if it’s Felony or Misdemeanor, there should be an established penalty. Fined up to _____, Jail up to ______.

          Beyond that, we are dealing with Value. What is the value of these properties? Let me ask you a question. Is the value of my house what Redfin says? The tax assessor? Or is the value of my house what you are willing to pay and what I’m willing to accept? Once the state is determining value, we’re all fucked. Trump said the value of the properties is _______. The banks agreed. End of story. Beyond that, Trump paid (surprisingly) these loans off. End of story. Now, we can say that Trump lied on the applications. Fine. There should be an established and simple proscribed penalty. And that penalty should be the same no matter the value discrepancy. The penalty for stealing a Bentley is the same as stealing a Honda Civic, no?

          I can not stand Trump, but this decision is breathtaking in the implications.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #99

          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump loses in NY:

          Beyond that, we are dealing with Value. What is the value of these properties? Let me ask you a question. Is the value of my house what Redfin says? The tax assessor? Or is the value of my house what you are willing to pay and what I’m willing to accept?

          Screenshot 2024-02-25 at 9.49.38 AM.png

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            #100

            Appeal Filed:

            https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/26/trump-appeals-new-york-civil-fraud-verdict.html

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #101

              Trump can't raise the cash:

              https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-says-he-cannot-post-bond-asks-ny-appeals-court-to-stay-enforcement-of-454m-civil-fraud-judgment/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=second

              Trump, the billionaire former president and putative 2024 Republican presidential nominee, has told a New York state appellate court that he is not able to post a bond fully securing the enormous judgment awarded against him in the recent civil fraud trial.

              I love this law...

              1. To appeal, you have to post a bond in the amount of the judgment
              2. The judgment is half a billion dollars
              3. No one has that kind of cash!
              4. Sorry, Charlie.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #102

                Maybe Trump’s two friends Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orban, can lend him an invisible hand in this regard.

                Elbows up!

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #103

                  Federal case?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Federal case?

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #104

                    @Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

                    Federal case?

                    Some, like McCarthy, think he has an 8th amendment case to be made. Since the fine is so high (and capricious), his right to appeal has, for all practical purposes, been denied.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #105

                      Agreed.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #106

                        The Duke of Trumpster might want to consider taking out a reverse mortgage on Mar-a-Lago Castle. Given his age he should qualify.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #107

                          Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

                          https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

                          For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

                          SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

                            https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

                            For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

                            SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #108

                            @George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

                            Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

                            https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

                            For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

                            SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

                            I assume a phone call or two was made.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #109

                              And it still is an ungodly amount of money. I hope this case gives NYC a real estate black eye for a decade.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #110

                                It will. It's an indefensible amount and a much too short timeframe.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Axtremus
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                                  #111

                                  Link to video

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                                  • 89th8 Offline
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                                    89th
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                                    #112

                                    Ax... but it was a victimless crime.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #113

                                      The size of the fine is a direct result of the fact that the political strategy he has chosen for his court proceedings - namely to treat them with utter contempt - happens to be a very bad legal strategy.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • 89th8 Offline
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                                        89th
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                                        #114

                                        A little remorse would've saved him a lot of coin.

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                                        • JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #115

                                          True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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