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Trump loses in NY

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    #106

    The Duke of Trumpster might want to consider taking out a reverse mortgage on Mar-a-Lago Castle. Given his age he should qualify.

    Elbows up!

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #107

      Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

      https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

      For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

      SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

        https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

        For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

        SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

        JollyJ Offline
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        #108

        @George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

        Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

        https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

        For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

        SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

        I assume a phone call or two was made.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          #109

          And it still is an ungodly amount of money. I hope this case gives NYC a real estate black eye for a decade.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • MikM Offline
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            #110

            It will. It's an indefensible amount and a much too short timeframe.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              #111

              Link to video

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              • 89th8 Offline
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                #112

                Ax... but it was a victimless crime.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  #113

                  The size of the fine is a direct result of the fact that the political strategy he has chosen for his court proceedings - namely to treat them with utter contempt - happens to be a very bad legal strategy.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    #114

                    A little remorse would've saved him a lot of coin.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      #115

                      True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #116

                        @Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

                        True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                        "You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

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                          @Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

                          True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                          That's an argument for removing remorse as a consideration from the criminal justice system.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

                            True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                            "You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."

                            89th8 Offline
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                            @George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

                            @Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

                            True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                            "You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."

                            I believe judges do this all the time. Show an attitude in court during sentencing? Ok, I'll add a few months or years. Usually there are sentencing guidelines/maximums but the judge can take the defendant's actions into account if they want to reduce the sentence.

                            Sam here, I think the judge here applied the law fairly. Trump owes a certain amount of money based on his illegal gains, and now has to pay it back. Perhaps he would've had to pay less back if he acknowledged his crime, but like Jon said, he took a different strategy.

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                              Jolly
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                              Oh, bullshit.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                @George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

                                @Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

                                True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

                                "You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."

                                I believe judges do this all the time. Show an attitude in court during sentencing? Ok, I'll add a few months or years. Usually there are sentencing guidelines/maximums but the judge can take the defendant's actions into account if they want to reduce the sentence.

                                Sam here, I think the judge here applied the law fairly. Trump owes a certain amount of money based on his illegal gains, and now has to pay it back. Perhaps he would've had to pay less back if he acknowledged his crime, but like Jon said, he took a different strategy.

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                                Copper
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                                @89th said in Trump loses in NY:

                                I believe judges do this all the time.

                                TV show judges certainly do.

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                                  #121

                                  The judge actually stated that he showed no remorse and it was clear he would repeat the crime if given the opportunity. Therefore he made the damages punitive.

                                  This was Trumps decision. Clearly he was told what the legal implications of his political strategy would be and chose to proceed anyway.

                                  Now he’s finding out.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #122

                                    Yes, one should not be angry when one is targeted for political persecution.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #123

                                      I suppose that’s true also, but in Trump’s case the lesson is you should be contrite when facing sentences for your crimes.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        89th
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                                        #124

                                        We usually read 2 books with the kids before bed. Sometimes if the kids aren't listening or doing something wrong, we'll take away one book, and we mention that the 2nd book will also be taken away if their attitude doesn't change. Sometimes the kids decide to dig in deeper and do something that causes the 2nd book to be lost. Our oldest kid is 5.

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          https://babylonbee.com/news/4d-chess-trump-makes-mar-a-lago-worth-500-million-by-hanging-up-3-hunter-biden-paintings

                                          The Brad

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