Trump loses in NY

[George K]

@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

Federal case?

Some, like McCarthy, think he has an 8th amendment case to be made. Since the fine is so high (and capricious), his right to appeal has, for all practical purposes, been denied.

[Mik]

Agreed.

[Renauda]

The Duke of Trumpster might want to consider taking out a reverse mortgage on Mar-a-Lago Castle. Given his age he should qualify.

[George K]

Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-civil-fraud-case-verdict-penalty-appeal-8447c48d0436083737204b13401438d2

For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.

SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.

I assume a phone call or two was made.

[Jolly]

And it still is an ungodly amount of money. I hope this case gives NYC a real estate black eye for a decade.

[Mik]

It will. It's an indefensible amount and a much too short timeframe.

[Axtremus]

Link to video

[89th]

Ax... but it was a victimless crime.

[jon-nyc]

The size of the fine is a direct result of the fact that the political strategy he has chosen for his court proceedings - namely to treat them with utter contempt - happens to be a very bad legal strategy.

[89th]

A little remorse would've saved him a lot of coin.

[Jolly]

True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

[George K]

@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."

[xenon]

@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

That's an argument for removing remorse as a consideration from the criminal justice system.

[89th]

@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?

"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."

I believe judges do this all the time. Show an attitude in court during sentencing? Ok, I'll add a few months or years. Usually there are sentencing guidelines/maximums but the judge can take the defendant's actions into account if they want to reduce the sentence.

Sam here, I think the judge here applied the law fairly. Trump owes a certain amount of money based on his illegal gains, and now has to pay it back. Perhaps he would've had to pay less back if he acknowledged his crime, but like Jon said, he took a different strategy.

[Jolly]

Oh, bullshit.

[Copper]

@89th said in Trump loses in NY:

I believe judges do this all the time.

TV show judges certainly do.

[jon-nyc]

The judge actually stated that he showed no remorse and it was clear he would repeat the crime if given the opportunity. Therefore he made the damages punitive.

This was Trumps decision. Clearly he was told what the legal implications of his political strategy would be and chose to proceed anyway.

Now he’s finding out.

[Jolly]

Yes, one should not be angry when one is targeted for political persecution.

[jon-nyc]

I suppose that’s true also, but in Trump’s case the lesson is you should be contrite when facing sentences for your crimes.