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Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023)

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #12

    Again, don't care.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      #13

      I don't care

      Shut it down

      Stop spending

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        #14

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bipartisan-bill-to-end-government-shutdowns-puts-democrats-in-bind/ar-AA1h6BdQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ba5fd1a92134f2dacce09c5823644f7&ei=25

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #15

          As has been said, it is perception.

          If there is a shutdowns and people start to see effects; passports not being processed, flights cancelled because TSA layoffs, pension checks delayed, etc.

          who would be blamed? For right or wrong, it would be the Republican.

          Now, people may forget this a year from now when there is an election........

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #16

            The American people, or at least the majority of them, have the attention span of a gnat.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
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              #17

              Parody/satirical op-ed on House Republicans and the government shutdown:

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/09/22/shutdown-looms-mccarthy-republicans-leave-washington/70922651007/

              ... As America hurtles toward a government shutdown, I and my fellow GOP colleagues would like to say that, in our defense, we really didn’t know “governing” would be one of our job requirements.
              .
              ... we think government is bad and we want nothing do with it, except for the parts where we get to yell into TV cameras and share devastating Hunter Biden memes. Those parts are great!
              ...
              On Thursday, [we tanked a military funding bill that usually passes with bipartisan support]. Why? Mainly for the lulz, but also because we kind of want the government to shut down so former President Donald Trump will like us and so we can look tougher when we’re yelling into the TV cameras.
              ...
              ... the truth is we aren’t doing jack on the military funding or any other funding until the DEMONcrats agree to cut all the spending we don’t like, defund the FBI and the DOJ, stop all Trump investigations and give us everything we want.
              .
              And what is it we want? Hah! Nice try. Answering that question sounds a lot like governing, and we didn’t get into this business to dirty our hands with that kind of nonsense.
              ...

              And here's the "I don't care" part for @Jolly :

              Will hundreds of thousands of federal workers be sent home without paychecks? Sure! Did the last government shutdown in 2019 cost the country $3 billion in economic activity? Heck yeah! Could national parks shut down and research at the National Institutes of Health come to a halt? You betcha!
              .
              And do we care one iota about any of that? Nah. As long as Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida can go on “Hannity” and flex his forehead muscles while yelling something that doesn’t mean anything, we’re right where we want to be – in government, but not governing.
              .
              Enjoy the shutdown, suckers. We’ve got memes to post.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #18

                And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                  Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                  Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
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                  #19

                  @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                  And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                  Oh, woe is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                  Oh, the House Republicans like to give federal government employees paid vacations! Who would’ve thunk it?

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                    And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                    Oh, woe is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                    Oh, the House Republicans like to give federal government employees paid vacations! Who would’ve thunk it?

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                    @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                    And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                    Oh, woe is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                    Oh, the House Republicans like to give federal government employees paid vacations! Who would’ve thunk it?

                    I think it's mighty white of them.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                      Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                      Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #21

                      @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                      And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                      Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                      Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

                      Not all of 'em.

                      The last few times this has happened, some govvies did exactly as you say. Others weren't paid for that time and never recouped. Still others were paid for that time six months down the line. Depending on the budget situation your branch operates under, shutdowns can affect you very differently from someone across the street.

                      Please love yourself.

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                        Axtremus
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                        #22

                        If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #23

                          Welcome to contracting with the government.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

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                            Aqua Letifer
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                            #24

                            @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

                            You are mistaken. It depends on (1) how the budget for that department is handled and (2) the arrangement made between the government agency and the contracting company.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #25

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/27/us/politics/house-republicans-lloyd-austin-salary.html

                              House GOP voted to reduce Defense Secretary's salary to $1 (a Majorie Taylor Greene proposal), "to bar the Pentagon from implementing Mr. Biden’s climate change-related executive orders or requiring service members to receive the coronavirus vaccine", an to strip "funding for the Pentagon’s office of diversity, equity and inclusion."

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                              • 89th8 Offline
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                                89th
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #26

                                Yes, most of the time government employees are paid for their time off. And most of the time contractors are not paid unless their work is deemed mission critical or essential. I believe the are about 3 or 4 million federal contractors.

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                                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #27

                                  How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by George K
                                    #28

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                    How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

                                    Works for me...

                                    Good luck getting that passed through <checks notes> Congress.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #29

                                      There is a Constitutional roadblock to suspending the pay for Congress.

                                      The 27th Amendment:

                                      No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        There is a Constitutional roadblock to suspending the pay for Congress.

                                        The 27th Amendment:

                                        No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #30

                                        @Axtremus Of course! 555

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #31

                                          https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/shutdown-latest-government-funding/index.html

                                          Congress on track for shutdown as GOP divisions on full display after late night votes

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