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Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023)

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #22

    If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

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      #23

      Welcome to contracting with the government.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

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        @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

        If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

        You are mistaken. It depends on (1) how the budget for that department is handled and (2) the arrangement made between the government agency and the contracting company.

        Please love yourself.

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          #25

          https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/27/us/politics/house-republicans-lloyd-austin-salary.html

          House GOP voted to reduce Defense Secretary's salary to $1 (a Majorie Taylor Greene proposal), "to bar the Pentagon from implementing Mr. Biden’s climate change-related executive orders or requiring service members to receive the coronavirus vaccine", an to strip "funding for the Pentagon’s office of diversity, equity and inclusion."

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            Yes, most of the time government employees are paid for their time off. And most of the time contractors are not paid unless their work is deemed mission critical or essential. I believe the are about 3 or 4 million federal contractors.

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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              #27

              How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

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                George K
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                #28

                @taiwan_girl said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

                Works for me...

                Good luck getting that passed through <checks notes> Congress.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • AxtremusA Offline
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                  #29

                  There is a Constitutional roadblock to suspending the pay for Congress.

                  The 27th Amendment:

                  No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    There is a Constitutional roadblock to suspending the pay for Congress.

                    The 27th Amendment:

                    No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

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                    #30

                    @Axtremus Of course! 555

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      #31

                      https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/shutdown-latest-government-funding/index.html

                      Congress on track for shutdown as GOP divisions on full display after late night votes

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                        #32

                        For the 5 or so representatives, this is their peak I think. While possible, it is doubtful that the next election will result in the same Reb vs. Dem breakdown. If the Reb have a higher majority, it is possible that 6 votes will not be needed. If the Dem have the majority, then obviously, they will not be needed.

                        And I think that the Reb leadership has a long memory.

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                          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hardline-republican-holdouts-push-us-government-closer-shutdown-2023-09-29/

                          Just for good measure, House Republicans reject their own funding bill one more time just before government shutdown.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            McCarthy is trying to run the circus from the monkey cages.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              George K
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                              #35

                              This true?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                #36

                                https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/09/30/congress/stopgap-passes-00119280

                                the House on Saturday took an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote to avert a shutdown at midnight on Sunday — with the majority of Democrats bailing out the GOP.
                                …
                                McCarthy shocked his party — and most on the Hill — by deciding to put a "clean" bill on the floor that could be enough to doom his speakership. The short-term funding patch that passed includes none of the GOP’s spending cuts or border policies. The only addition: $16 billion for [flood] disaster aid sought by the White House.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  This true?

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #37

                                  @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                  This true?

                                  I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                    This true?

                                    I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                    @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                    This true?

                                    I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                                    The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                                    The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                      @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                      This true?

                                      I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                                      The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                                      The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                      @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                      @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                      This true?

                                      I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                                      The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                                      The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

                                      Sharper than a Mexican rowel, not.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                        @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                        @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                        This true?

                                        I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                                        The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                                        The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

                                        Sharper than a Mexican rowel, not.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        #40

                                        @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                        rowel

                                        Now there's a word I haven't heard in about 15 years.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          #41

                                          The vote count:
                                          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-tees-up-votes-last-minute-scramble-avert-shutdown-2023-09-30/

                                          Overall: 391 for, 91 against
                                          Among those voted to pass the 45-day funding bill, 209 are Democrats, 126 are Republicans.

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