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Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023)

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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna105521

    House GOP proposes short term funding bill to extend funding to October 31, demands 8% non-military funding cut and resumption of southern border wall construction in return.

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    Axtremus
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    @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna105521

    House GOP proposes short term funding bill to extend funding to October 31, demands 8% non-military funding cut and resumption of southern border wall construction in return.

    Nope, turns out the House GOP cannot even get that passed among themselves.

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/mccarthy-plan-to-avert-shutdown-dealt-twin-blows-from-gop-right

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      Jolly
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      Did you know we've had scores of shutdowns since 1970?

      The Republic still stands.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Axtremus
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        #10

        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-republicans-look-restart-spending-agenda-with-defense-vote-2023-09-21/

        The House Republicans again failed to pass their own spending bill.

        Trump also wades in calling the GOP to "defund" the government.

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          Axtremus
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          #11

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-republicans-still-dont-votes-government-shutdown-looms-rcna111338

          Deflated House Republicans leave town with no solution for government shutdown
          .
          Speaker Kevin McCarthy brought up a vote to advance a bill to fund the Defense Department on Thursday. For the second time this week, it failed.

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            Jolly
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            #12

            Again, don't care.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Copper
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              #13

              I don't care

              Shut it down

              Stop spending

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                #14

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bipartisan-bill-to-end-government-shutdowns-puts-democrats-in-bind/ar-AA1h6BdQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ba5fd1a92134f2dacce09c5823644f7&ei=25

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  #15

                  As has been said, it is perception.

                  If there is a shutdowns and people start to see effects; passports not being processed, flights cancelled because TSA layoffs, pension checks delayed, etc.

                  who would be blamed? For right or wrong, it would be the Republican.

                  Now, people may forget this a year from now when there is an election........

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                    Jolly
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                    #16

                    The American people, or at least the majority of them, have the attention span of a gnat.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Axtremus
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                      #17

                      Parody/satirical op-ed on House Republicans and the government shutdown:

                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/09/22/shutdown-looms-mccarthy-republicans-leave-washington/70922651007/

                      ... As America hurtles toward a government shutdown, I and my fellow GOP colleagues would like to say that, in our defense, we really didn’t know “governing” would be one of our job requirements.
                      .
                      ... we think government is bad and we want nothing do with it, except for the parts where we get to yell into TV cameras and share devastating Hunter Biden memes. Those parts are great!
                      ...
                      On Thursday, [we tanked a military funding bill that usually passes with bipartisan support]. Why? Mainly for the lulz, but also because we kind of want the government to shut down so former President Donald Trump will like us and so we can look tougher when we’re yelling into the TV cameras.
                      ...
                      ... the truth is we aren’t doing jack on the military funding or any other funding until the DEMONcrats agree to cut all the spending we don’t like, defund the FBI and the DOJ, stop all Trump investigations and give us everything we want.
                      .
                      And what is it we want? Hah! Nice try. Answering that question sounds a lot like governing, and we didn’t get into this business to dirty our hands with that kind of nonsense.
                      ...

                      And here's the "I don't care" part for @Jolly :

                      Will hundreds of thousands of federal workers be sent home without paychecks? Sure! Did the last government shutdown in 2019 cost the country $3 billion in economic activity? Heck yeah! Could national parks shut down and research at the National Institutes of Health come to a halt? You betcha!
                      .
                      And do we care one iota about any of that? Nah. As long as Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida can go on “Hannity” and flex his forehead muscles while yelling something that doesn’t mean anything, we’re right where we want to be – in government, but not governing.
                      .
                      Enjoy the shutdown, suckers. We’ve got memes to post.

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                        And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                        Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                        Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                          Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                          Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

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                          Axtremus
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                          @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                          And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                          Oh, woe is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                          Oh, the House Republicans like to give federal government employees paid vacations! Who would’ve thunk it?

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                            Oh, woe is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                            Oh, the House Republicans like to give federal government employees paid vacations! Who would’ve thunk it?

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                            Jolly
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                            @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                            Oh, woe is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                            Oh, the House Republicans like to give federal government employees paid vacations! Who would’ve thunk it?

                            I think it's mighty white of them.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                              Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                              Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              #21

                              @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                              And you know what? All those government employees get a paid vacation, because all of those paychecks are coming as soon as a continuing resolution is signed.

                              Oh, whoa is me! They're going to make me take off and pay me for it!

                              Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

                              Not all of 'em.

                              The last few times this has happened, some govvies did exactly as you say. Others weren't paid for that time and never recouped. Still others were paid for that time six months down the line. Depending on the budget situation your branch operates under, shutdowns can affect you very differently from someone across the street.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                Axtremus
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                                If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #23

                                  Welcome to contracting with the government.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
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                                    @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                    If I’m not mistaken, “contractors” are not paid back for time not worked while the government is shutdown, and the US government uses a lot of contractors.

                                    You are mistaken. It depends on (1) how the budget for that department is handled and (2) the arrangement made between the government agency and the contracting company.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      Axtremus
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                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/27/us/politics/house-republicans-lloyd-austin-salary.html

                                      House GOP voted to reduce Defense Secretary's salary to $1 (a Majorie Taylor Greene proposal), "to bar the Pentagon from implementing Mr. Biden’s climate change-related executive orders or requiring service members to receive the coronavirus vaccine", an to strip "funding for the Pentagon’s office of diversity, equity and inclusion."

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                                        89th
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                                        Yes, most of the time government employees are paid for their time off. And most of the time contractors are not paid unless their work is deemed mission critical or essential. I believe the are about 3 or 4 million federal contractors.

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                                          taiwan_girl
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                                          How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

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