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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote last edited by Renauda
    #3048

    Neither demagogue can remotely claim ownership to much of anything conservative, let alone the values associated with conservatism.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
      wrote last edited by Mik
      #3049

      Security guarantees. Didn't we already do that in Budapest? Does anyone believe we will go to war if Russia rearms and restarts the fight?

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-peace-deal-could-be-closer-than-anyone-expected/ar-AA1S1Nbw

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        #3050

        I do. Putin got away with it in 2014 and again in 2022. He has to know beyond any doubt that if and when there is a next time, Western troops are coming to Ukraine’s aid. That does not necessarily include the US but it does not preclude it either.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
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          #3051

          Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Away
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            #3052

            More on that. Good piece.

            https://www.fpri.org/article/2014/03/ukraine-and-the-misunderstood-budapest-memorandum/

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Mik

              Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

              RenaudaR Offline
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              wrote last edited by Renauda
              #3053

              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

              Good question. I guess Angela Merkel and Barak Obama preferred not to escalate matters much beyond indignation and a strongly worded letter or two. Oh yes, and a few weak to moderate sanctions which only strengthened the Russian agri-food sector and energy industries. For its part, NATO members began training Ukrainian soldiers in NATO warfare techniques as the first steps towards eventual integration into the alliance.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
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                #3054

                Which should have happened long ago.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • MikM Away
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                  In Russia car parks you.

                  https://www.the-independent.com/tech/porsche-russia-satellite-disabled-vts-b2880139.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAOnHmtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe1UZtrfGy0Dqdb3dy6aj3phF7R2MhDgPUWTxLPm7hOJDTsTZeKnaWcb5uxqI_aem_uzPgRRtT879-UDhM-Ho5hw

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • W Offline
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                    Der Spiegel: Zwei Schurken, ein Ziel

                    https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/wie-donald-trump-die-europaeer-an-wladimir-putin-verraet-a-2fb67045-1ab6-4caf-9467-fceeec9351c6

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                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/13/world/asia/north-korea-soldiers-russia-ukraine.html

                      North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, welcomed home specialized soldiers this week after a deployment in Russia’s war against Ukraine, honoring nine killed in action with his country’s highest medal, state media reported on Saturday.

                      The event was North Korea’s first public acknowledgment that it had sent specialized troops, combat engineers tasked with mine-clearing operations, to aid Russia in the war.

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