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  • RenaudaR Offline
    RenaudaR Offline
    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #3048

    Neither demagogue can remotely claim ownership to much of anything conservative, let alone the values associated with conservatism.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by Mik
      #3049

      Security guarantees. Didn't we already do that in Budapest? Does anyone believe we will go to war if Russia rearms and restarts the fight?

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-peace-deal-could-be-closer-than-anyone-expected/ar-AA1S1Nbw

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #3050

        I do. Putin got away with it in 2014 and again in 2022. He has to know beyond any doubt that if and when there is a next time, Western troops are coming to Ukraine’s aid. That does not necessarily include the US but it does not preclude it either.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #3051

          Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #3052

            More on that. Good piece.

            https://www.fpri.org/article/2014/03/ukraine-and-the-misunderstood-budapest-memorandum/

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Mik

              Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

              RenaudaR Offline
              RenaudaR Offline
              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #3053

              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

              Good question. I guess Angela Merkel and Barak Obama preferred not to escalate matters much beyond indignation and a strongly worded letter or two. Oh yes, and a few weak to moderate sanctions which only strengthened the Russian agri-food sector and energy industries. For its part, NATO members began training Ukrainian soldiers in NATO warfare techniques as the first steps towards eventual integration into the alliance.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #3054

                Which should have happened long ago.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #3055

                  In Russia car parks you.

                  https://www.the-independent.com/tech/porsche-russia-satellite-disabled-vts-b2880139.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAOnHmtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe1UZtrfGy0Dqdb3dy6aj3phF7R2MhDgPUWTxLPm7hOJDTsTZeKnaWcb5uxqI_aem_uzPgRRtT879-UDhM-Ho5hw

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • W Do not disturb
                    W Do not disturb
                    Wim
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #3056

                    Der Spiegel: Zwei Schurken, ein Ziel

                    https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/wie-donald-trump-die-europaeer-an-wladimir-putin-verraet-a-2fb67045-1ab6-4caf-9467-fceeec9351c6

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #3057

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/13/world/asia/north-korea-soldiers-russia-ukraine.html

                      North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, welcomed home specialized soldiers this week after a deployment in Russia’s war against Ukraine, honoring nine killed in action with his country’s highest medal, state media reported on Saturday.

                      The event was North Korea’s first public acknowledgment that it had sent specialized troops, combat engineers tasked with mine-clearing operations, to aid Russia in the war.

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
                        RenaudaR Offline
                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #3058

                        Suicide by ejector seat:

                        The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                        https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                        Video:

                        Elbows up!

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                        • W Do not disturb
                          W Do not disturb
                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #3059

                          https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            Suicide by ejector seat:

                            The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                            https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                            Video:

                            MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #3060

                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Suicide by ejector seat:

                            The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                            https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                            Video:

                            I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            • W Wim

                              https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

                              89th8 Offline
                              89th8 Offline
                              89th
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #3061

                              @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

                              Cool!

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                              • MikM Mik

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Suicide by ejector seat:

                                The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                                https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                                Video:

                                I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                                RenaudaR Offline
                                RenaudaR Offline
                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #3062

                                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Suicide by ejector seat:

                                The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                                https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                                Video:

                                I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                                We both will. In the past 10 minutes I have been informed by an impeccable source that while the incident report is true, the video posted on X is bogus. Clearly sloppy on my part not to have taken the effort to do a bit more homework on the video.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #3063

                                  Yeah, but still fun to watch and imagine.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    Yeah, but still fun to watch and imagine.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
                                    RenaudaR Offline
                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #3064

                                    @Mik

                                    Well if that’s the case….

                                    Link to video

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    😁
                                    • W Do not disturb
                                      W Do not disturb
                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #3065

                                      Interesting read:

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/18/world/europe/russia-putin-aide-dmitri-kozak-ukraine-war.html

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
                                        RenaudaR Offline
                                        Renauda
                                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                                        #3066

                                        An acquaintance of mine in Kyiv just sent me the following status update via FB Messenger:

                                        I have power. I'm fully charged on all my devices and I'm as charged as I can be to deal with the other realities of life.

                                        Some time ago I wrote that Putin calculates one more massive missile strike to kill civilians and we'll tap out. And he was wrong. He's calculated that he can freeze us out this winter and we'll capitulate. He's wrong.

                                        It's hard to be in Kyiv now but the temperatures will warm and the ice will melt and we will still not have fucking capitulated.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #3067

                                          Unfortunately, more of the same. :(. Though there is the possibility of more talks on Feb 1.

                                          Ukraine and Russia ended a second day of US-brokered talks in Abu Dhabi on Jan 24 without a deal but with more talks expected next weekend, even as overnight Russian airstrikes knocked out power for over a million Ukrainians amid subzero winter cold.

                                          Statements after the conclusion of the talks did not indicate that any agreements had been reached, but Moscow and Kyiv both said they were open to further dialogue.

                                          https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/us-brokered-peace-talks-break-off-without-deal-after-overnight-russian-bombardment-of-ukraine

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