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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #3045

    I really don’t know how to describe my ill feelings about this:

    Russia has welcomed US President Donald Trump's new National Security Strategy, calling it "largely consistent" with Moscow's vision.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvd01g2kwwo

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by Mik
      #3046

      Sounds like an abdication of American leadership in the west.

      Putin’s advocacy for conservative values is utterly self serving. We need not think he’s committed to them. They just sell domestically and now apparently here.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • MikM Mik

        Sounds like an abdication of American leadership in the west.

        Putin’s advocacy for conservative values is utterly self serving. We need not think he’s committed to them. They just sell domestically and now apparently here.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #3047

        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Putin’s advocacy for conservative values is utterly self serving.

        You could say the same about the other guy in the photo too.

        I was only joking

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        • RenaudaR Offline
          RenaudaR Offline
          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #3048

          Neither demagogue can remotely claim ownership to much of anything conservative, let alone the values associated with conservatism.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by Mik
            #3049

            Security guarantees. Didn't we already do that in Budapest? Does anyone believe we will go to war if Russia rearms and restarts the fight?

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-peace-deal-could-be-closer-than-anyone-expected/ar-AA1S1Nbw

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #3050

              I do. Putin got away with it in 2014 and again in 2022. He has to know beyond any doubt that if and when there is a next time, Western troops are coming to Ukraine’s aid. That does not necessarily include the US but it does not preclude it either.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #3051

                Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #3052

                  More on that. Good piece.

                  https://www.fpri.org/article/2014/03/ukraine-and-the-misunderstood-budapest-memorandum/

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #3053

                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

                    Good question. I guess Angela Merkel and Barak Obama preferred not to escalate matters much beyond indignation and a strongly worded letter or two. Oh yes, and a few weak to moderate sanctions which only strengthened the Russian agri-food sector and energy industries. For its part, NATO members began training Ukrainian soldiers in NATO warfare techniques as the first steps towards eventual integration into the alliance.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #3054

                      Which should have happened long ago.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • MikM Offline
                        MikM Offline
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #3055

                        In Russia car parks you.

                        https://www.the-independent.com/tech/porsche-russia-satellite-disabled-vts-b2880139.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAOnHmtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe1UZtrfGy0Dqdb3dy6aj3phF7R2MhDgPUWTxLPm7hOJDTsTZeKnaWcb5uxqI_aem_uzPgRRtT879-UDhM-Ho5hw

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • W Offline
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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #3056

                          Der Spiegel: Zwei Schurken, ein Ziel

                          https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/wie-donald-trump-die-europaeer-an-wladimir-putin-verraet-a-2fb67045-1ab6-4caf-9467-fceeec9351c6

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                          • AxtremusA Away
                            AxtremusA Away
                            Axtremus
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #3057

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/13/world/asia/north-korea-soldiers-russia-ukraine.html

                            North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, welcomed home specialized soldiers this week after a deployment in Russia’s war against Ukraine, honoring nine killed in action with his country’s highest medal, state media reported on Saturday.

                            The event was North Korea’s first public acknowledgment that it had sent specialized troops, combat engineers tasked with mine-clearing operations, to aid Russia in the war.

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #3058

                              Suicide by ejector seat:

                              The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                              https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                              Video:

                              Elbows up!

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                              • W Offline
                                W Offline
                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #3059

                                https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  Suicide by ejector seat:

                                  The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                                  https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                                  Video:

                                  MikM Offline
                                  MikM Offline
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #3060

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Suicide by ejector seat:

                                  The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                                  https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                                  Video:

                                  I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • W Wim

                                    https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

                                    89th8 Offline
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                                    89th
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #3061

                                    @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

                                    Cool!

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Suicide by ejector seat:

                                      The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                                      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                                      Video:

                                      I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                                      RenaudaR Offline
                                      RenaudaR Offline
                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #3062

                                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Suicide by ejector seat:

                                      The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                                      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                                      Video:

                                      I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                                      We both will. In the past 10 minutes I have been informed by an impeccable source that while the incident report is true, the video posted on X is bogus. Clearly sloppy on my part not to have taken the effort to do a bit more homework on the video.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #3063

                                        Yeah, but still fun to watch and imagine.

                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          Yeah, but still fun to watch and imagine.

                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #3064

                                          @Mik

                                          Well if that’s the case….

                                          Link to video

                                          Elbows up!

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