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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by Mik
    #3049

    Security guarantees. Didn't we already do that in Budapest? Does anyone believe we will go to war if Russia rearms and restarts the fight?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-peace-deal-could-be-closer-than-anyone-expected/ar-AA1S1Nbw

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote last edited by Renauda
      #3050

      I do. Putin got away with it in 2014 and again in 2022. He has to know beyond any doubt that if and when there is a next time, Western troops are coming to Ukraine’s aid. That does not necessarily include the US but it does not preclude it either.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote last edited by
        #3051

        Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote last edited by
          #3052

          More on that. Good piece.

          https://www.fpri.org/article/2014/03/ukraine-and-the-misunderstood-budapest-memorandum/

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Mik

            Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by Renauda
            #3053

            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

            Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

            Good question. I guess Angela Merkel and Barak Obama preferred not to escalate matters much beyond indignation and a strongly worded letter or two. Oh yes, and a few weak to moderate sanctions which only strengthened the Russian agri-food sector and energy industries. For its part, NATO members began training Ukrainian soldiers in NATO warfare techniques as the first steps towards eventual integration into the alliance.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote last edited by
              #3054

              Which should have happened long ago.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote last edited by
                #3055

                In Russia car parks you.

                https://www.the-independent.com/tech/porsche-russia-satellite-disabled-vts-b2880139.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAOnHmtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe1UZtrfGy0Dqdb3dy6aj3phF7R2MhDgPUWTxLPm7hOJDTsTZeKnaWcb5uxqI_aem_uzPgRRtT879-UDhM-Ho5hw

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • W Do not disturb
                  W Do not disturb
                  Wim
                  wrote last edited by
                  #3056

                  Der Spiegel: Zwei Schurken, ein Ziel

                  https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/wie-donald-trump-die-europaeer-an-wladimir-putin-verraet-a-2fb67045-1ab6-4caf-9467-fceeec9351c6

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    #3057

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/13/world/asia/north-korea-soldiers-russia-ukraine.html

                    North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, welcomed home specialized soldiers this week after a deployment in Russia’s war against Ukraine, honoring nine killed in action with his country’s highest medal, state media reported on Saturday.

                    The event was North Korea’s first public acknowledgment that it had sent specialized troops, combat engineers tasked with mine-clearing operations, to aid Russia in the war.

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #3058

                      Suicide by ejector seat:

                      The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                      Video:

                      Elbows up!

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                      • W Do not disturb
                        W Do not disturb
                        Wim
                        wrote last edited by
                        #3059

                        https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          Suicide by ejector seat:

                          The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                          https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                          Video:

                          MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote last edited by
                          #3060

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Suicide by ejector seat:

                          The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                          https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                          Video:

                          I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • W Wim

                            https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

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                            wrote last edited by
                            #3061

                            @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-claims-first-underwater-drone-sea-baby-strike-on-russian-submarine-knocking-it-out-of-service/

                            Cool!

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                            • MikM Mik

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Suicide by ejector seat:

                              The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                              https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                              Video:

                              I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                              RenaudaR Offline
                              RenaudaR Offline
                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by Renauda
                              #3062

                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Suicide by ejector seat:

                              The Russian Aerospace Forces lost a bomber crew after the aircraft’s ejection system was activated while the bomber was inside a shelter, according to Russian reports.

                              https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-bomber-crew-killed-by-their-own-ejection-seats-sa-120925

                              Video:

                              I will probably go to hell for laughing so loud at this. So be it.

                              We both will. In the past 10 minutes I have been informed by an impeccable source that while the incident report is true, the video posted on X is bogus. Clearly sloppy on my part not to have taken the effort to do a bit more homework on the video.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
                                wrote last edited by
                                #3063

                                Yeah, but still fun to watch and imagine.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  Yeah, but still fun to watch and imagine.

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                                  RenaudaR Offline
                                  Renauda
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #3064

                                  @Mik

                                  Well if that’s the case….

                                  Link to video

                                  Elbows up!

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