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    George K
    wrote on 31 May 2024, 11:22 last edited by
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 31 May 2024, 13:46 last edited by Renauda
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      Kremlin tells West told to stop “provoking Ukraine to continue this senseless war”:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqq2zn3zw6o

      You can be assured that Berlin would have said similar if not the same, had Czechoslovakia fought back against the Nazi invasion and annexation in 1938. That it didn’t fight back, paved the way to the rape of Poland the following year.

      Elbows up!

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        31 May 2024, 11:16

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 1 Jun 2024, 08:49 last edited by
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        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

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        50 years from now, Russia will be on its way to disappearing. They were already having population problems, and now this war, and the fact that any male who is able to leave has left, means that a whole generation + is wiped out. And it is the most important generation for the economy.

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        • T taiwan_girl
          1 Jun 2024, 08:49

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

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          50 years from now, Russia will be on its way to disappearing. They were already having population problems, and now this war, and the fact that any male who is able to leave has left, means that a whole generation + is wiped out. And it is the most important generation for the economy.

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          George K
          wrote on 1 Jun 2024, 11:48 last edited by
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          @taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:

          They were already having population problems, and now this war, and the fact that any male who is able to leave has left, means that a whole generation + is wiped out.

          Link to video

          The number of military-aged men is quite small.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 1 Jun 2024, 23:08 last edited by
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            Wow! Seeing that movie shows that. I guess if you are guy who is looking to date, you are in a good position, but other than that........... not so good.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 13:40 last edited by
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              Mirage to Ukraine...

              https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-to-get-fighter-jets-from-france/

              That's not as promising as it sounds. Ukraine is getting over 100 F-16 fighters, but only has 22 pilots trained to fly them and is begging for training slots at any nation that will take them. I suppose the same problem will exist with the Mirage fighters...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Wim
                wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 14:47 last edited by
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                Training us supposed to take 6 to 7 months, starting this summer...
                Go figure ☹️

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 15:33 last edited by
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                  Should have supplied them in 22.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik
                    8 Jun 2024, 15:33

                    Should have supplied them in 22.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 18:17 last edited by
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                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Should have supplied them in 22.

                    You are right.

                    I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

                    The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • J Jolly
                      8 Jun 2024, 18:17

                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Should have supplied them in 22.

                      You are right.

                      I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

                      The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 18:50 last edited by
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                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time,

                      Yeah, it's almost like he's a Russian agent. I wonder what dirt Putin has on him.

                      Wait, once again, that's from the wrong year.

                      Sorry.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 9 Jun 2024, 12:36 last edited by
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                        The ambiguity and emptiness of Putin’s red lines in Ukraine:

                        https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/fuzzy-red-lines-in-ukraine?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                        Elbows up!

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 13 Jun 2024, 14:34 last edited by Axtremus
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                          https://wapo.st/3Vll45U

                          https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-zelenskyy-sign-us-ukraine-security-agreement-g7/story?id=111061390

                          Biden, Zelensky to sign 10-year U.S.-Ukraine security deal at G-7 summit

                          Supposedly the agreement "will commit Washington to supply Kyiv with a wide range of military assistance." But unlike NATO, it does not require the U.S. to respond if Ukraine is attacked.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 14 Jun 2024, 14:44 last edited by
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                            An interesting piece on the possibility of going nuclear.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-nuclear-arsenal-is-crumbling-ukraine-can-take-it-out-for-good/ar-BB1oe8Nv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78d48b0c768a4563879c728536b1d3dc&ei=13

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Wim
                              wrote on 14 Jun 2024, 14:52 last edited by Wim
                              #2195

                              Russia hosts approx. 5900 nuclear arms. Assuming that a lot of them are out of use, Putin still has enough to make his threats believable.
                              I think this article is a tad too optimistic.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 14 Jun 2024, 21:51 last edited by Renauda
                                #2196

                                Putin offers compelling and generous terms:

                                Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday demanded Ukraine effectively surrender to Moscow if it wants to open peace talks, drawing anger and rebukes from Kyiv and the West.

                                In a combative speech in Moscow on the eve of a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland, Putin said Russia would halt its offensive only if Ukraine fully withdraws its troops from the east and south and drops its bid for NATO membership.

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/14/putin-says-ukraine-must-withdraw-troops-to-start-peace-talks-a85413

                                I am confident that Putin is just emulating Trump and spitballing riffs that happen to pop into his mind.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 14 Jun 2024, 21:53 last edited by
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                                  "We'll stop shooting at you (for now) if you give us everything we've taken."

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 14 Jun 2024, 21:56 last edited by Renauda
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                                    Something like that. Most Christian of Putin to be so magnanimous about it.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on 23 Jun 2024, 21:00 last edited by
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                                      Another headache for Putin:
                                      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34739

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 4 Jul 2024, 20:58 last edited by George K 7 Apr 2024, 20:59
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                                        My Great Grandfather was governor of Tambov…before 1917.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on 5 Jul 2024, 12:22 last edited by
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                                          @George: was that Luzhenovsky or his successor?

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