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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #2192

    The ambiguity and emptiness of Putin’s red lines in Ukraine:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/fuzzy-red-lines-in-ukraine?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    Elbows up!

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
      wrote on last edited by Axtremus
      #2193

      https://wapo.st/3Vll45U

      https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-zelenskyy-sign-us-ukraine-security-agreement-g7/story?id=111061390

      Biden, Zelensky to sign 10-year U.S.-Ukraine security deal at G-7 summit

      Supposedly the agreement "will commit Washington to supply Kyiv with a wide range of military assistance." But unlike NATO, it does not require the U.S. to respond if Ukraine is attacked.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #2194

        An interesting piece on the possibility of going nuclear.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-nuclear-arsenal-is-crumbling-ukraine-can-take-it-out-for-good/ar-BB1oe8Nv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78d48b0c768a4563879c728536b1d3dc&ei=13

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • W Do not disturb
          W Do not disturb
          Wim
          wrote on last edited by Wim
          #2195

          Russia hosts approx. 5900 nuclear arms. Assuming that a lot of them are out of use, Putin still has enough to make his threats believable.
          I think this article is a tad too optimistic.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
            RenaudaR Offline
            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2196

            Putin offers compelling and generous terms:

            Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday demanded Ukraine effectively surrender to Moscow if it wants to open peace talks, drawing anger and rebukes from Kyiv and the West.

            In a combative speech in Moscow on the eve of a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland, Putin said Russia would halt its offensive only if Ukraine fully withdraws its troops from the east and south and drops its bid for NATO membership.

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/14/putin-says-ukraine-must-withdraw-troops-to-start-peace-talks-a85413

            I am confident that Putin is just emulating Trump and spitballing riffs that happen to pop into his mind.

            Elbows up!

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #2197

              "We'll stop shooting at you (for now) if you give us everything we've taken."

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2198

                Something like that. Most Christian of Putin to be so magnanimous about it.

                Elbows up!

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                • W Do not disturb
                  W Do not disturb
                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2199

                  Another headache for Putin:
                  https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34739

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by George K
                    #2200

                    My Great Grandfather was governor of Tambov…before 1917.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • W Do not disturb
                      W Do not disturb
                      Wim
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2201

                      @George: was that Luzhenovsky or his successor?

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2202

                        Pavel Kandidov - here he is in 1905.

                        Pavel and Nina, Tambov 1905.jpg

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2203

                          That's some really nice log work...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2204

                            Pavel was the governor of the Tambov oblast. I’m told that he was friends with Leo Tolstoy. However, I don’t know anything beyond that.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • W Do not disturb
                              W Do not disturb
                              Wim
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2205

                              Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2206

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/guerrillas-halt-north-korean-ammunition-trains-near-russia-s-yekaterinburg/ar-BB1psCx7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=73fe1082c89444a0edc022e562b85547&ei=16

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • W Wim

                                  Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

                                  MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2207

                                  @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

                                  They do seem to eat their young, these communists.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #2208

                                    Once again, the Kremlin maintains that is Ukraine’s fault:

                                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/08/west-condemns-russian-strike-on-kyiv-childrens-hospital-a85644

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      Once again, the Kremlin maintains that is Ukraine’s fault:

                                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/08/west-condemns-russian-strike-on-kyiv-childrens-hospital-a85644

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2209

                                      @Renauda are those “River to the Sea” assholes coming the bombing of a children’s hospital?

                                      No?

                                      Didn’t think so.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
                                        RenaudaR Offline
                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2210

                                        But of course not, Putin supports the plight of the Palestinians in their struggle against US global hegemony, Zionist imperialism and Ukrainian Nazis.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Renauda are those “River to the Sea” assholes coming the bombing of a children’s hospital?

                                          No?

                                          Didn’t think so.

                                          MikM Offline
                                          MikM Offline
                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2211

                                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @Renauda are those “River to the Sea” assholes coming the bombing of a children’s hospital?

                                          No?

                                          Didn’t think so.

                                          Silly George. That’s just crackers killing crackers. No big.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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